Unpopular Opinion
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Vote the opposite of the norm.
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- If it is a Lemmy-specific unpopular opinion, start it with [LEMMY].
Rules:
1. NO POLITICS
Politics is everywhere. Let's make this about [general] and [lemmy] - specific topics, and keep politics out of it.
2. Be civil.
Disagreements happen, but that doesn’t provide the right to personally attack others. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Please also refrain from gatekeeping others' opinions.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Shitposts and memes are allowed but...
Only until they prove to be a problem. They can and will be removed at moderator discretion.
5. No trolling.
This shouldn't need an explanation. If your post or comment is made just to get a rise with no real value, it will be removed. You do this too often, you will get a vacation to touch grass, away from this community for 1 or more days. Repeat offenses will result in a perma-ban.
Instance-wide rules always apply. https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
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In a vacuum, sure. In practice, that forces the mod to do research on every batshit claim that's commented/posted and opens the doors to just gish-galloping the mod team. You mentioned the citations being more common in the past? This is most likely why. We also just got out of a nasty election in the US, and misinformation and wild clams were running wild. Mods are volunteers and have lives and can't fact check every foreign influence bot and misinformed lemming. Would love to, but, again, volunteer with a life. Sometimes you gotta shoot from the hip when wild claims are made, and if it's pointed out later that's actually correct, then it's not uncommon to see comments restored.
I'm also in favor of modding first and restoring later if need be. "A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can lace its boots" and all that.
I'm in favor of the opposite: If someone makes a wild claim, they should be citing credible sources to back them up.
Even something like "Removed: potential misinformation; please provide at least 1 source" might help improve things.
Yeah, absolutely.
Unfortunately, there's a lot of variables in the mix right now. I don't think Lemmy UI does any kind of automatic follow-up on mod actions; just the modlog entry. Considering what I've seen in the modlog these last few months, I don't really blame them for being a bit curt there lol.
Some 3rd party UIs will let you automatically reply with the action reason, but they're all a little different. In other cases, instances rely on automod tools that detect the removal, but AFAIK, they just DM the user that an action has been taken. rather than anything other users can see (outside the modlog, that is).
TL;DR is that Lemmy's mod tooling leaves a lot to be desired and has been / continues to be a source of many complaints.
Thanks for the explanation, I really don't know how all this works in practise ^.=.^
totally get that and as always thanks for your volunteer work!
love the point in your last paragraph. maybe mod comments like “cite this with a credible source or ban” are more helpful? idk spitballing. something to just encourage credible citation from some party rather than none.