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[–] BoogerBearadactyl@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (7 children)

So, I don't really understand the science, but my son is only able to drink raw milk. When he drinks normal milk, he has terrible stomach aches and mad diarrhea. When he drinks raw milk, it's all rainbows and butterflies. For reference, he's 3 and has been drinking the raw milk for around a year and a half. Also, the rest of the family had no issues drinking pasteurized milk. Maybe somebody smarter than me could explain why this is?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

Have the rest of the family conduct a double-blind test. In other words, neither you nor the child now which is which.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 22 hours ago

Have you tried nut or grain milk? I like oat, soy, and rice, but cashew is pretty good, too.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This might be helpful, or it might be unrelated.

Recently, I made mozzarella from scratch. In order to do that, I needed some milk that wasn't homogenised. Homogenisation is the process of breaking up the fat globules within milk into smaller droplets so they're more evenly dispersed throughout the liquid, meaning there won't be a fatty layer that separates out when you leave the milk to stand.

Most milk that you buy at the supermarket would be both homogenised and pasteurised. I learned that pasteurised milk could work for cheese, depending on the specific temperature the milk was heated to during pasteurisation (because the required minimum temperature for pasteurization is below the temperature that causes issues for mozzarella, but some brands pasteurise at a higher temperature. Unfortunately most brands don't say what temperature they pasteurise at, but I got lucky with the first one I tried). That part's not especially relevant to you and is mostly cheese related

The thing I wanted to suggest, out of scientific curiosity more than helpfulness, is that I wonder how your son would do with pasteurised, non-homogenised milk — perhaps it's the homogenisation that's causing the problem, rather than the pasteurisation. If you do try this, I'd be interested to hear back how things go; I haven't heard of anyone having issues like this before

Oh, interesting. I'll have to look into where to find that.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

FWIW, there's a lot we don't know - but are learning - about bacteria and the gut. For example, if I'm not mistaken, a baby gets a lot of important gut bacteria from it's mum through breastfeeding.

So when I hear all this argument about raw vs pasteurised milk, I expect there really is something of health benefit to raw milk, just there's a big downside of harmful pathogens that can be cured with pasteurization. That doesn't mean all raw milk is unsafe. Like with raw eggs in the UK, or not iodizing your vegetables, it can be safer with care over production.

Anyway, that is to say, I figure there could be some interaction with the bacteria in the raw milk helping your son to digest it.

But having seen the other comment suggesting homogenisation, that sounds more likely to me. (Just a guess though.)

[–] BoogerBearadactyl@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There seems to be some disagreements among the healthcare community as well. With my son, we tried normal milk, goat's milk, and raw. The raw was the only one that didn't cause the gut issues. We mentioned this to his pediatrician, and he told us there was no difference. When we mentioned the variance to a different physician, he said there absolutely would be reason for him to react with the pasteurized but not the raw. I think he mentioned something about the breakdown of protiens when milk is pasteurized, but I can't remember for sure.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

That's very interesting. Thank you for sharing.

I hope things work out well for your son.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You should give oat milk a try (or soy/almond, but oat tastes the best imo)

[–] Kallioapina@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For some reason all the soy and oat milks I've tried taste terribly sour and bitter to me. At times I think "am I going crazy", when people around me describe them tasting sweet.

Though also some vegetables, like coriander and parsley taste soapy and bitter to me, so maybe its some quirky genetics thing.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

There's sweetened and unsweetened ones so that might be it but who knows.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Should totally stop feeding him raw milk, get those lactose-free milk instead.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 22 hours ago

Just use oat milk. It's creamy and delicious, and it lasts longer.

I actually think we may have tried lactaid as well, with a similar reaction. My wife would remember for sure.

[–] droporain@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe don't fucking feed him milk at all? Whoa mind blown...

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 22 hours ago

I felt so much better once I stopped drinking cow milk. If you look into the science, you really don't need it in your diet at all. Dairy lobbyists managed to get the government to promote it as necessary for health, though.