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[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A ceasefire at this point would benefit Russia militarily.

It would also benefit the people of Ukraine who are currently living in an active warzone.

This should not be difficult to understand.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. Living under Russian occupation benefits noone.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So when are you going to Ukraine to sign up for the frontline?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not going to. How did you get the impression that I would?

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're obviously very horny for the war to continue, and you only live a few hours away.

Why wouldn't you join up if it's so important to you?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm very keen on the war to end quickly. I've said so from the start. Given that the war is not going to end before Russia loses, there's no other option than to support Ukraine. On top of that it's Ukraine which has the righteous cause.

I've had a gazillion of hexbears try to dunk on me here for a day now, and none of you had any better idea on how to end the war quickly. The best I've heard bogs down to "invite the Kremlin for talks and sing Kumba Ya". That's wishful thinking.

So, pray tell, what is your idea on how to end the war quickly?

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So go there and fight. If this is really what you believe in, then why not?

Or do you think that Ukrainian lives are a worthy sacrifice for the "righteous cause" but your own is not?

No Kumba Ya. Go to Ukraine and fight. Bleed for it.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's their own righteous cause and they continue to fight so they think it's worth it, yes. If the people actually wanted to give up they'd say so.

Who are you to decide such things for them?

When the Taliban rolled over Afghanistan I wasn't there, saying "But you should fight for your freedom!" -- nah, people have to want it on their own accord. In that case all I could was to throw up my hands in despair, seeing a country fall from occupation into tyranny. Ukraine? Least I can do is defend it morally against vulgar pseudo-pacifists like you, who'd rather see Ukrainians brutalised and exploited by the Russian Mafia.