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[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

According to Islam Q&A

Islam forbids Muslims to keep dogs, and the punishment for that is that the one who does that loses one or two qirats from his hasanat (good deeds) each day. An exception has been made in the case of keeping dogs for hunting, guarding livestock and guarding crops.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This is sourced from a commentary on several hadiths Hadiths are the life the writings of the life that Prophet Muhammad had lived

They are used to distinguish what is right or wrong, and Hadiths by themselves can not be proven correct as many of them were written many years after Muhammad had died

These commentaries provide interpretations of what has been written by scholars within Hadiths, and these interpretations are often a common sore spot of debates

You'll find many disagreements due to these interpretations, and you can actually see this in your source:

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

“With regard to dogs, there are three views among the scholars:

  1. – That they are tahir (pure), even their saliva . This is the view of Malik.
  1. – That they are najis (impure), even their hair. This is the view of al-Shafi'i and is one of the two views narrated from Ahmad.
  1. – Their hair is tahir but their saliva is najis. This is the view of Abu Haneefah and of Ahmad in the other report narrated from him.

The Qur'an itself represents every creation of god as equal and to treat them with kindness as if they were you

This is also why Eid Al Adha can also be interpreted as a festival of sacrifice of what is important, and not just animal sacrifice. You can sacrifice your money to provide food to the poor, your beloved possessions as a sacrifice because you lack the means to provide donations (Sadaqah)

You do not have to view Islam in a way where interpretation is impossible, in fact, it is very open ended and is a topic of discussion even a thousand years after

You yourself could even become an Islamic scholar by starting to read Qur'an translations and provide your own interpretations, that is halal to do, to search for a correct answer with what is provided to you, all knowledge at your hands, and halal to teach others about your interpretations that were honestly made, all in search of truth.

[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 1 points 4 hours ago

Thanks for clarification 👍

[–] burgerchurgarr@lemmus.org 10 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

That’s a bit wild. I’m from the Middle East and there’s not much love for dogs because we have a lot of stray dogs that are legit scary and dangerous.

There are rules about not keeping dogs where you pray but it’s a pretty extremist stance to forbid keeping dogs. I have some pretty religious family and even some of those have dogs.

If you search on google for Islam rules you’re gonna find a lot of Westboro Baptist Church kinda sources that have nothing to do with how normal people live.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

there’s not much love for dogs because we have a lot of stray dogs that are legit scary and dangerous.

Perhaps you've got cause and effect mixed up

[–] burgerchurgarr@lemmus.org 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I don’t think you understood my comment.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I think I did. Let me rephrase mine, maybe my point of view is better illustrated this way:

(A) there’s not much love for dogs because we have a lot of stray dogs that are legit scary and dangerous.

(B) we have a lot of stray dogs that are legit scary and dangerous, because there's not much love for dogs

How does one discern the causal relationship in these cases?

[–] burgerchurgarr@lemmus.org 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

So there’s people keeping pet dogs also in the middle east, which are very cute if you’re a dog person.

It’s more difficult to keep dogs than e.g. in most of Europe, because outside of winter you can’t really take them on walks during the day at temperatures of up to 40-50°C and most cities are incredibly car centered due to the high temperatures and the lack of public transportation.

Therefore it’s sadly not really a recreational activity unless you live in the countryside. That’s why people can’t really build positive associations with dogs.

Of course if there’d be funding to bring the strays to shelters, vaccinate & track them, do birth control, build and maintain dog parks etc. people would lose the association over time and see only the good boys being cute. In that sense I don’t think it matters how we got to this point or wonder whether it’s always been like that.

But all of that has nothing to do with religion, and my point was that the Iranian regime is just doing extremist stuff (to the surprise of no one).

[–] iii@mander.xyz 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They turned religion into bookkeeping lol

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Have you met any Jewish people? 😀

[–] iii@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I have but they weren't orthodox