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[–] Keld@hexbear.net 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Given that early zionists included fascists and people zionists keep insisting count as communists when someone tells them about that first fact, seems a bit of an own goam

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Especially when the current zionists support a fascist movement

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Zionism IS a fascist movement.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 32 points 4 days ago

wojak-nooo but..but.. what about "labour zionism?!?"

back-to-me-shining "what was that thing I said about social democracy.. hmmm?"

Zionism has never not been a fascist movement with the aims of invading a country, murdering it's inhabitants en masse, and stealing their land for the west. Just like every other settler colonial project in history.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I mean if you wanna be totally fair early Zionists also included communists. Stalin himself was in favor of the establishment of Israel and it's the only mistake he ever made.

A lot of socialists at the time thought the establishment of Israel would weaken the UK's presence in the middle east, and they were world's largest imperial power at the time. Plus since many of the early settlers were Holocaust survivors and/or involved in socialist politics, there was a fair assumption that the state of Israel would be anti-imperialist and socialist aligned.

Whoops guess that didn't quite work out

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago

and it's the only mistake he ever made.

Um, excuse meβ€½

[–] NecroticEuphoria@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

As far as I'm aware, Stalin actually realized his mistake about Israel and supported the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in the USSR instead.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

The Oblast very much pre-dated Israel and the 1948 war. But yeah the USSR did not support Israel during the 1948 war, pre communist Czechoslovakia did send an important rifle shipment, otherwise no one got involved on Israel's side. I think the flagrance was apparent to everyone, and if Israel had not won, no one would've cared much.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

Yeah, it quickly became apparent (like by 1949, within a year) that the state of Israel was not going to be what a lot of people expected