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California cannot ban gun owners from having detachable magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, a federal judge ruled Friday.

The decision from U.S. District Judge Roger Benitez won’t take effect immediately. California Attorney General Rob Bonta, a Democrat, has already filed a notice to appeal the ruling. The ban is likely to remain in effect while the case is still pending.

This is the second time Benitez has struck down California’s law banning certain types of magazines. The first time he struck it down — way back in 2017 — an appeals court ended up reversing his decision.

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[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

And where do the criminals get their guns from?

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Straw purchases are the main way, like 85% or more...so illegally...

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn, sounds like gun laws don't work then. Better change them to increase background checks and waiting periods.

[–] Vytle@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah and what are you wanting to regulate 3d printers and 80% lowers while your at it? gonna regulate sheet metal to prevent people from making guns?

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't need to, because nobody is using them for mass shootings. But sure, I will absolutely advocate laws regarding the illegal manufacturing of firearms are enforced. I'll also laugh when people blow their hands off.

Fortunately since 3D printed guns don't line the pockets of Republicans, lobbyists, sleazy PR companies and the people who simp for them, there should be no issue at all actually addressing the problem.

If that problem ever actually exists of course. Isn't it just fascinating that despite the entire world having access to 3D printers, they still don't have gun violence that's even remotely comparable to America? All of these comments saying

It's almost like "but 3D printers!" is just as bullshit as everything else that comes out of pro-gun groups mouths. 25 years of insisting it was doors or video games or rap music.

[–] jeremy_sylvis@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t need to, because nobody is using them for mass shootings.

Ah, I see - you don't care about the dead children, but rather that firearms are used to kill children. That's really fucked up.

Fortunately since 3D printed guns don’t line the pockets of Republicans, lobbyists, sleazy PR companies and the people who simp for them, there should be no issue at all actually addressing the problem.

I'm not sure if you're aware or not but blue team has been decrying the evils and supposed impact of these things for multiple election cycles due to their inability to actually address that perceived problem.

If that problem ever actually exists of course. Isn’t it just fascinating that despite the entire world having access to 3D printers, they still don’t have gun violence that’s even remotely comparable to America? All of these comments saying

I'd be interested in seeing you compare such countries by violence overall and then again compare them by available social support and safety nets.

It once more seems you only care that suffering involved a firearm rather than actually caring about people and their suffering.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, I see - you don't care about the dead children, but rather that firearms are used to kill children. That's really fucked up.

Thoughts and prayers for whatever point you thought you had.

I'm not sure if you're aware or not but blue team has been decrying the evils and supposed impact of these things for multiple election cycles due to their inability to actually address that perceived problem.

And "team red" takes $16 million a year from the gun lobby and are adamant the solutions just coincidentally align with what's most profitable.

I'd be interested in seeing you compare such countries by violence overall and then again compare them by available social support and safety nets.

Of course you would be, because you're looking for excuses to do nothing, especially excuses that might take decades to prove wrong.

But whatever "social support and safety nets" you find are still going to be paired with vastly better gun laws that try and balance social risk rather than protect profits.

You want a half solution that doesn't impact you, not an actual solution.

[–] jeremy_sylvis@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And “team red” takes $16 million a year from the gun lobby and are adamant the solutions just coincidentally align with what’s most profitable.

Ah, I see we're forgetting about Bloomberg and his profiteering off of sensationalism of violence.

Of course you would be, because you’re looking for excuses to do nothing, especially excuses that might take decades to prove wrong.

Feel free to highlight any comment I've made where I suggest doing nothing.

Take all the time you need.

You want a half solution that doesn’t impact you, not an actual solution.

In point of fact, I quite explicitly argue for actual solutions.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, I see we're forgetting about Bloomberg and his profiteering off of sensationalism of violence.

Yeah who knows why he bothers with the abstraction when he can just take bribes directly from the gun lobby. Maybe he's secretly bankrolled by a shady lobby group representing school children and abused partners.

Feel free to highlight any comment I've made where I suggest doing nothing.

You're a representative of the pro-gun community, using their talking points to push their agenda, making you a representative of them. If that label upsets you, it sounds like a problem you should take up with them.

In point of fact, I quite explicitly argue for actual solutions.

Did you even read your own link? They openly acknowledge that changes to gun need to be a key part of the solution since "curing everybody of violence forever" is 100 years away.

Accessing someone's past behaviour and restricting or denying them guns accordingly? Congratulations, you've invented red flag laws and background checks that actually check backgrounds, 25 years later than everyone else. Go forth and spread the word to your pro-gun brethren and try not to reflect on who could have been saved

[–] jeremy_sylvis@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah who knows why he bothers with the abstraction when he can just take bribes directly from the gun lobby. Maybe he’s secretly bankrolled by a shady lobby group representing school children and abused partners.

I'm not sure I'd call it abstraction given it's literally his media business, but hey, whatever makes you feel better.

You’re a representative of the pro-gun community, using their talking points to push their agenda, making you a representative of them. If that label upsets you, it sounds like a problem you should take up with them.

Oh, I see - generalizations are okay when they're your generalizations.

I'm not sure how you interpret an actual focus on actual problem solving as a pro-gun agenda - a rational individual would reflect and consider that when basic problem solving is given a demeaning label, it might be indicative of a bad opinion on the matter. Let me know when you get to that point.

you even read your own link? They openly acknowledge that changes to gun need to be a key part of the solution since “curing everybody of violence forever” is 100 years away.

And you're confused by this... how?

Accessing someone’s past behaviour and restricting or denying them guns accordingly? Congratulations, you’ve invented red flag laws and background checks that actually check backgrounds, 25 years later than everyone else. Go forth and spread the word to your pro-gun brethren and try not to reflect on who could have been saved

Ah, so two things we already have, excellent

We can then proceed to the rest of the preventative measures and actually improve some lives, eh?

[–] Vytle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

3d printers and illegal markets

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every gun on the illegal markets was once a legal gun.

[–] Vytle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Work cited: crack pipe. You cant legally buy a glock switch, and there are plenty of exanples of glocks with switches on them (which usually come from china), and seeing as the ATF considers the switch themselves to be a machine gun, these are guns that were never legal, and yet theres an ungodly number of them on the streets

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Abolish the ATF.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

We're not talking about guns, we're talking about mags. Which are trivial to make.