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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're literally doing what you're accusing others of in order to make inorganic sterile processes sound strange.

I'm not arbitrarily defining my level of detail, you can break down bread as much as you want and use as many dramatic or inaccurate terms as you like, but bread is never going to be as weird as artificially inseminating chemical hormone pumped eugenics cows so that we can steal their baby juice. I don't need to make euphemisms or make things sound more dramatic - that's actually what's happening.

You're pretending that radiation is weird when it's literally everywhere constantly, and using the word crossbreeds to falsely equivocate eugenics and hormonal manipulation in higher life forms with retaining the seeds of successful fruiting plants.

I understand you're upset that you can't make milk less weird, but pushing for grains to be weird is not a winning route for you.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your weirdness with milk stems from it being from a mammal and you seeing more similarity with a mammal. But the underlying processes are equally estranged from the perceived natural way. and for the natural way again the definition remains difficult, because humans 50, 100, 500, 1000, 5000, 10.000 and 50.000 years ago all had very different lifes in which very different things happened.

What you described with artifical hormones is something of the past 50 years. But what about the other 6.000 years of humans drinking milk already? What you describe isnt specific to milk.It is specific to modern industrialized countries.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The original weirdness comes from thousands of years that humans saw these other animals with their animal boobs dripping milk into the mouths of their babies, and decided that we need some of that non-essential nourishment at any cost.

That's why it's weird. And it only gets weirder when we have to build up industrialized processes to support an obviously unsustainable and harmful process because...the percentage of the population who can stomach the non-essential infant cow juice want it so badly?

That weirdness has been happening as long as we've been stealing milk from cow babies.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and decided that we need some of that non-essential nourishment at any cost.

But it was essential. Drinking cow milk was such an evolutionary edge that genetic analysis indicated every lactose tolerant person to have the same ancestor where it first occured some 6.000 years ago.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Drinking milk was not essential, as evidenced by your very mention of people being lactose intolerant to milk, a simple fact that proves milk is not essential.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

neither is hot water, having a non leaking roof or a functional health system. Do you want to skip on any of these as being weird? it was a huge advantage and quite dominant in human genetics.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Yes, following you down this irrelevant tangent that literally nobody has argued against except yourself, stolen baby xenomilk can be a dietary advantage for humans. We are omnivores, after all.

I'm going to stick with the original point and maintain how strange it is.