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[–] InternetLefty@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Although the massacre of the Romanovs was a moral failing, it does not delegitimize the right for the workers, peasants, and soldiers who suffered under the feudal class dictatorship that saw them as expendable, to rise up for their freedom from such a system and towards their own self-government. Denying this is like condemning the end of slavery in North America because of slave revolts.

[–] charly4994@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I wouldn't call it a moral failing of the revolution but an act of necessity to defend themselves from the wolves that would use any one of these children as a symbol of the Russian Empire to revive it with the support of every monarchy in the region. I mean just look at Miami and how bloodthirsty the children of gusanos are for losing their plantations, I can only imagine how bloodthirsty a child denied their right to an empire would be.

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago

I err on the side of minimizing any possibility of retaliatory action, frankly. The less loose ends, the better.

[–] InternetLefty@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

I don't know what kind of calculus exists to actually prove this or that. I'm skeptical since the reactionaries will invent their own justification absent an actual living Romanov anyway. But all I wanted to state is that this act, unsanctioned by the Bolsheviks themselves, doesn't delegitimize the revolution

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yup moral failing of their parents to say God says this kid gets to rule you.

What the revolutionaries did is the only logical conclusion to the system the Romanov set up.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They reaped what they sowed.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago

Yup moral failing of their parents to say God says this kid gets to rule you.

Morals didn't come into it. They had already abdicated the throne and were in custody of Kerensky's provisional government before the bolsheviks took power. And the bolsheviks didn't kill them because of the moral failing of monarchism, but because they were worried about losing that custody to the white army. The decision was entirely strategic, rather than being intended as an ideological blow to some perceived moral failing.

I don't mean this as an "own" but as an accurate recounting of the reasoning that went into the decision.

[–] oregoncom@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It was moral failing because they didn't kill all of them and let a few of them flee to western europe.