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What are the most mindblowing things in mathematics? (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by cll7793@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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What concepts or facts do you know from math that is mind blowing, awesome, or simply fascinating?

Here are some I would like to share:

  • Gödel's incompleteness theorems: There are some problems in math so difficult that it can never be solved no matter how much time you put into it.
  • Halting problem: It is impossible to write a program that can figure out whether or not any input program loops forever or finishes running. (Undecidablity)

The Busy Beaver function

Now this is the mind blowing one. What is the largest non-infinite number you know? Graham's Number? TREE(3)? TREE(TREE(3))? This one will beat it easily.

  • The Busy Beaver function produces the fastest growing number that is theoretically possible. These numbers are so large we don't even know if you can compute the function to get the value even with an infinitely powerful PC.
  • In fact, just the mere act of being able to compute the value would mean solving the hardest problems in mathematics.
  • Σ(1) = 1
  • Σ(4) = 13
  • Σ(6) > 10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10 (10s are stacked on each other)
  • Σ(17) > Graham's Number
  • Σ(27) If you can compute this function the Goldbach conjecture is false.
  • Σ(744) If you can compute this function the Riemann hypothesis is false.

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[–] TitanLaGrange@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

perfect mechanical shuffle

What's perfect in this context? It's maybe a little counterintuitive because I'd think a perfect mechanical shuffle would be perfectly deterministic (assuming no mechanical failure of the device) so that it would be repeatable. Like, you would give it a seed number (about 67 digits evidently) and the mechanism would perform a series of interleaves completely determined by the seed. Then if you wanted a random order you would give the machine a true random seed (from your wall of lava lamps or whatever) and you'd get a deck with an order that is very likely to never have been seen before. And if you wanted to play a game with that particular deck order again you'd just put the same seed into the machine.

[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

Perfect is the sense that you have perfect randomness. Like the Fisher-Yates shuffle.

[–] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

In order to have a machine that can "pick" any possible shuffle by index (that's all a seed really is, a partial index into the space of random numbers), you'd need a seed 223 bits long.

But you wouldn't want perfect mechanical shuffles though because 8 perfect riffles will loop the deck back to it's original order! The minor inaccuracies are what makes actual shuffling work.

I'd probably have the machine do it all electronically and then sort the physical deck to match, not sure you could control the entropy in a reliable way with actual paper cards otherwise.