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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The fact that Israel is committing genocide is, in and of itself, is a casus belli. This is the exact same thing the Allies get praised for in WWII.

No, unfortunately not really. The extent of the Holocaust was not uncovered until the Allies moved into Germany and took the concentration camps. Britain was at war due to their guarantee of Polish sovereignty, the US was at war due to Pearl Harbor, and Germany declaring war on them a few days later. Nobody went into WW2 to stop a genocide. China and the USSR were at war due to being invaded.

While some credit is given to stopping the Holocaust, certainly, that was largely a side effect of simply winning WW2.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

While some credit is given to stopping the Holocaust, certainly, that was largely a side effect of simply winning WW2.

Yeah, I know. My phrasing was bad. I meant they're being praised for fighting Germany and stopping thr Holocaust, not that they entered WWII to stop the Holocaust. I was trying to point out the ridiculousness of criticizing a country trying to stop genocide happening close to it.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Which one? Clearly anything Hamas does is justified retaliation, so Israel is retaliating enough just there won't be significant retaliation.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago

Clearly anything Hamas does is justified retaliation

No? They definitely weren't justified in raping and killing civilians in October 7th. However, as an oppressed and occupied people, they have a permanent casus belli against Israel until the latter starts taking serious steps towards peace, so the act of attacking Israel on October 7th (remember that 66% of the dead were military or security targets; they didn't just kill some civilians and leave) itself is a legitimate act of resistance.

Which one? Clearly anything Hamas does is justified retaliation

im pretty sure internationally recognized terrorism isn't considered to be justified or retaliation, but it's the middle east, so that's something that sort of just, happens sometimes. That would probably explain why israel is reacting so violently.

China and the USSR were at war due to being invaded.

the chinese leg of the conflict is particularly goofy.

China had two, or three parties at one point, all fighting for control over the country. There was the communist party (backed by the soviets) There was the democratic party (backed by the US) and then there was also japan doing it's thing trying to take over china as well.

Prior to this there was the russo japanese war, which was an equally big shitpost, the russians having been fucking broiled by the japanese over it, though a different story.