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Oppobrium? Latifundium? Bellicose? Effete? Really? What the fuck is wrong with these people. These words are like paragraphs apart

Edit: just read the term "professional-cum-technocratic ethos" this shit is not normal and the author should be ashamed

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[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 41 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can just learn new words it's possible

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[–] veniasilente@lemm.ee 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh come on, "really" is quite a normal word!

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[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 35 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I love how some Latin-based words are fancy and complicated in English while being totally normal in Romance languages. In Portuguese, Latifúndio is like a basic word everybody uses when discussing agribusiness. Same goes for plenty of medical stuff. English speakers go to the ENT if their throat hurts. We go to the otolaryngologist, otorrinolaringologista or just otorrino.

[–] Crucible@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

quotidian is a good one, 'cause if you use it in English it sounds fancy and has more subtext meaning mundane but in French 'quotidienne' is actually very quotidian

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[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sometimes it's better to be specific and removed with "parasacral drain and attempted aspiration" (we entered through the butt to try and drain an abcess) instead of the one surgeon who (different op) said "cyst drained in her pussy" 💀💀💀

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"who need they cystussy drained?"

Triage nurse: "OMG, she!"

[–] Bonescape@hexbear.net 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

inside me are two wolves

one says just look up the words its not that hard and you might learn something

the other one says academics are deliriously gatekeeping and inflating their science to make it seem more than it really is

[–] gingerbrat@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And both your wolves are right

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[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Academics use special words because they have specific meanings that are unaffected by the changing meanings of casual use. This is why engineering terminology often sucks, because people already have an idea of what power, work, stress, strain, etc. mean, but often they are wrong, from the standpoint of physics. A layperson may think that pushing against a wall and becoming exhausted means that they have done work on the wall, when from a physics standpoint this isn't true, because the meaning of work in physics and everyday life are different. If you try to explain the term work in everyday words, you end up spending a sentence every time: the act of force applied across a distance the object moved, measured as the crow flies from the beginning to the end point. That is why most scientific fields come up with their own terms. They are shorter than explaining it every time, they are specific, and they are unambiguous. It is not gatekeeping when Google exists, comrades.

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[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 28 points 2 weeks ago

quark Gold-pressed latifundium

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I am begging communists to use normal words

Organization of Production? Dialectics? Ascent From the Abstract to the Concrete? Vulgar Materialism? Really? What the fuck is wrong with these people. These words are like paragraphs apart

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[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Most of those are just normal words

[–] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I feel like they were an ascending order of normalcy

Oppobrium? I have no idea

Latifundium? I'm not sure but I guess has to do with latifunda which are like plantations

Bellicose? Warlike from latin, bella being war

Effete? The thing I get called

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

No tf they are not, I have never once heard anyone use any of these before today and certainly not in verbal usage. You connot convince me this isn't exclusively academic language

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Latifundium? Bellicose? Effete?

  1. is very common to use regarding the roman empire and when analysing its decline, and general imperal decline.
  2. literally means "warlike", just sounds nicer
  3. is a good term to describe the UN and EU

3/4 were pretty normal. Maybe just work on your eloquence a bit?

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Normal in academic circles sure but I studied fucking phsyics until now. These words are absolutely not in my or any normal english speaking persons vocabulary. Sure yeah, I looked up all the words and got concise definitions but I have never once fucking heard them

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Then you just need to waste more time on history and politcal writings.

You're right, they're not used much in everyday english. They're used in spcialist jargon tho, the difference between how specialist nerds talk and how normal people talk is always very different.

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[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Bellicose and effete in particular are not uncommon in everyday language, typically to describe a person's manner. Oppobrium might not be something you say every day, but it turns up in the newspaper pretty regularly.

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[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

IMO people use jargon to make their not very smart idea seem smarter. I see it all the time.

The smartest people are ones who can explain things without resorting to a thesaurus. I think of Parenti.

Edit: Since this is gaining controversy, I'll say that I've written, edited, and published many a grad level research paper. Believe me when I say that hiding behind jargon is a really thing that people do, especially in higher education. Reducing unnecessary jargon is also something that many a researcher has been urged to do. This idea isn't original to me, I'm just repeating it here.

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Parenti literally used Latifundium in his famous Yellow Parenti lecture though.

Learning words is good.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

You can't tell me Parenti isn't much more readable and less jargony than other, more bourgeois historians. Finding the one counter example just feels pedantic af.

Learning words is good.

Literally no one is arguing this point with you. Have fun with that, though.

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

I can recall all the words in the OP being used by him, other than Oppobrium (though I’m sure he has used it somewhere). The reason I used Yellow Parenti as an example is because that is the first time I heard of it and I looked it up. I have never heard of it from any source other than parenti

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[–] MuinteoirSaoirse@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago

There are a lot of great criticisms to be made about academics and how they eventually get caught up in little self-contained idea vortices that don't actually matter to the world at large; they lose sight of how small their field is in the grand scheme of things and start to project its importance in their life to the wider society.

However the thing about using words like this: they are specific. It's important to learn that just because two words are synonyms does not mean they are interchangeable. Some words are more correct for the specific idea you are trying to communicate.

[–] Dimmer06@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

My gf and I have a joke where we come up with absurd thesis titles with incomprehensible jargon based on random stuff around us.

The Faba Antinomy: The Ursification of the Digital Left Hegemony and the Paradigm of the New Hexagon

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[–] Biggay@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Calvin and Hobbes not be based as fuck challenge level insurmountable

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[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

professional-cum-technocratic ethos

volcel-kamala

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[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

bellicose and effete have both been used on citations-needed

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago

on last episode even NOOOOO

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[–] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 16 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Oh you're not interested in studying lacunae? You know lacunae, a very normal word that is used in place of saying the cumbersome word gaps (ノ°益°)ノ

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[–] Taster_Of_Treats@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

I was listening to a podcast and they hit me with "syncretic murder cult" and "hagiography" within minutes of each other.

Based on what I remember looking up a week ago:

Syncretic - a politics or religion that is composed of disparate sources mixed together.

Hagiography - a biography of a saint or a savior figure.

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

Those are both important words that admittedly I spent much of my life skimming over, just getting the vibe.

[–] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Hagiography is not uncommonly used sarcastically to describe a fawning biography.

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Those ones are literally just normal, you'd have to just not have engaged with political-historical discourse at all in English to not have heard hagiography used to insult mainstream presidential retrospective articles at the very least.

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[–] huf@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

the thing is, all your english words are weird and foreign, i dont see how "vole" is any more or less normal than "bellicose", "victuals" or "spilth".

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[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

Its the in-group speech of academy and a language signifier that you are a not a poor.

[–] buh@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] DinosaurThussy@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I talked to an academic who wrote like this once and she said, “It just comes out like that in the first draft and I can never bring myself to do revisions beyond the ones requested during peer review”

doomjak

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A big part of the problem is that despite the job being like 80% writing, many academics have no formal writing training. This is especially true in the sciences. You're just expected to pick it up by osmosis, and when most of the existing writing is shit, you're gonna pick up shit.

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[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago

I like flowery language, but I do want to strangle Jordan Peterson everytime he trots out "presupposition". You're not fancy, for that word! That's standard paper-writing bullshit.

[–] CarsAndComrades@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I was in a bad mood the other day and blocked someone for trying to sound smart by using the word "salubrious"

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

they were tryna be yakubrious

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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

but then they would have learned these words for nothing !

And they wouldnt signal to each other that they belong to the class that learned these words.

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The author graduated cum laude

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[–] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

thought I was in Badposting for a second

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"professional-cum-technocratic ethos"

Yuck.

Bellicose? Effete?

I like and use those.

Opprobrium?

I might use that online if I want to be fancy and/or silly.

Latifundium?

What the heck.

latifundium (plural latifundia)
A large landed estate or ranch in ancient Rome or more recently in Spain or Latin America, typically worked by slaves.
Etymology: mid 17th century from Latin, from latus "broad" + fundus "landed estate", partly via Spanish.

[–] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Latifundium?

I recognize this one because in the yellow parenti video he talks about Cuban latifundio owners before the revolution, and how they would kill peasants who crossed over their land.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago

i recognise this cos my history teacher taught us about them in 8th grade

[–] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean. The last one is a very specific noun to describe a very specific thing. It's not pointless.

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