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DeepSeek Proves It: Open Source is the Secret to Dominating Tech Markets (and Wall Street has it wrong). (www.linuxfoundation.org)
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[–] legolas@fedit.pl -5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (10 children)

Apparently DeepSeek is lying, they were collecting thousands of NVIDIA chips against the US embargo and it's not about the algorithm. The model's good results come just from sheer chip volume and energy used. That's the story I've heard and honeslty it sounds legit.

Not sure if this questions has been answered though: if it's open sourced, cant we see what algorithms they used to train it? If we could then we would know the answer. I assume we cant, but if we cant, then whats so cool about it being open source on the other hand? What parts of code are valuable there besides algorithms?

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Sauce?

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

It's open sauce.

[–] legolas@fedit.pl -4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

internet

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Elaborate? Link? Please tell me this is not just an "allegedly".

extra time which Im not sure I want to spend

It's your burden of proof, bud.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is after all, a court of law.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I just think that no matter whether DeepSeek smuggled or not, an investigation into whether or not they smuggled is of course going to be launched. I do want more transparency regarding where the Singapore billing goes, but that alone is too shaky for conclusions.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No one here is going to be involved with any of it.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

um, yeah?

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So stop trying to grill people as if anyone here is a lawyer.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

but me and four others just wanted to know what legolas saw

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

"it was just a joke bro"

[–] legolas@fedit.pl -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSr_vwZGF2k This is what I watched. I base my opinion on this. Im not saying this is true. It just sounded legit enough and I didnt have time to research more. I will gladly follow some links that lead me to content that destroys this guys arguments

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -2 points 5 months ago

Cope be strong in this one lol

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

It’s time for you to do some serious self-reflection about the inherent biases you believe about ~~Asians~~ Chinese people.

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[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org -4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

"China bad"

*sounds legit

Sounds legit is what one hears about FUD spread by alglophone media every time the US oligarchy is caught with their pants down.

Snowden: "US is illegally spying on everyone"

Media: Snowden is Russia spy

*Sounds legit

France: US should not unilaterally invade a country

Media: Iraq is full of WMDs

*Sounds legit

DeepSeek: Guys, distillation and body of experts is a way to save money and energy, here's a paper on how to do same.

Media: China bad, deepseek must be cheating

*Sounds legit

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

This is your brain on Chinese/Russian propaganda.

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[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago (8 children)

I don’t like this. Everything you’re saying is true, but this argument isn’t persuasive, it’s dehumanizing. Making people feel bad for disagreeing doesn’t convince them to stop disagreeing.

A more enlightened perspective might be “this might be true or it might not be, so I’m keeping an open mind and waiting for more evidence to arrive in the future.”

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 2 points 5 months ago

Yup. Thats internet nowadays. Full of comments like this. Cant do muich about it

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

We already have all the evidence. This isn’t some developing story, the paper is reproducible. What’s dehumanizing is assuming that Asians can’t make good software.

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[–] maplebar@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Snowden really proved he wasn't a Russian spy when he... check notes... immediately fled to Russia with troves of American secrets...

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

immediately fled to Russia with troves of American secrets

Russia wasn't his final destiny. He was en route to somewhere else when his passport was revoked.

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