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[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 124 points 1 day ago (7 children)

To be fair, we have a former actor and comedian as the president. The difference is he isn't a fascist piece of human garbage, not so much in the career paths.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 70 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I ponder that sometimes. I wonder if a comedian has made such a solid leader because a comedian's role to society is to speak truths that go unheard, and to make unbearable times bearable. I find myself questioning if every leader shouldn't be a comedian

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 37 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (5 children)

Entirely Unironically:

AOC for Pres, Jon Stewart for Vice Pres, 2028.

This campaign would stand a chance at actually winning.

AOC and Stewart are both well known, basically celebrities.

AOC is actually capable of recreating the mix of genuine charisma combined with well articulated, meaningful actual policy points that Obama did in 07.

Jon Stewart is obviously no stranger to politics, and is possibly the literally ideal 'attack dog' that the VP usually plays in a campaign, for an anti corporate / billionaire campaign.

Let AOC be as principled and erudite as JFK and Stewart be as cutting and 'no bullshit' as Lyndon Jonhson.

...

Are either of them perfect?

No.

Are they basically the best possible options?

Well, Bernie is awesome, but he's too old.

Absolutely utilize him as much as possible during the campaign, be at every rally, fucking have him be the head of a leftist version of what Elon is, god knows by the time 2028 rolls around, the executive will have formally and informally assumed way too much power.

Put Bernie in charge of purging the Trump/Elon pukes, directing the revokation or countermanding of everyone of Trump's executive orders, undoing Citizens United, and reassembling the checks and balances.

...

Other than that... are any other democrats or leftists anywhere near as well known and widely, generally liked by non fascists? Who aren't bought and paid for by corpos?

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

Ya know, this sounds downright plausible. More so than any other ticket I can imagine anyway, middle-of-the-road corporate democrats sure are played out, but hey, from what I understand the Dems literally argued after the election about whether they didn't go left enough or didn't go "center" enough, so.

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[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think it might be part that and part the fact that the war happened in the first place. Like, before the full scale invasion, he really wasn't that remarkable. But I guess sometimes hard times do actually make strong men.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 day ago

Yeah but plenty of leaders have been absolute shit under pressure is kind of my point

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee -3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The last supposedly Ukrainian person I talked to here was very anti Zelenskyy and wanted him to just lay down arms. What's your opinion on the matter? Do you want your country to keep fighting? Do you qualify for the draft yourself?

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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 18 hours ago (5 children)

they should call him PUS instead of POTUS.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Putin's Orange ~~Teenager~~ Toddler Undermining Stability

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[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 48 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

If we traveled back in time 10 years and started showing people these headlines, they'd put us in a mental hospital.

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[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Hey the best people are the ones who toe the line

Let's not pretend it was ever anything different

[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 17 hours ago

My understanding is that Obama encouraged frank expression of different opinions in the Cabinet. Not every leader values blind obedience.

[–] stopdropandprole@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

a large portion of the electorate doesn't choose anything. they do what their televisions command them. who controls the targeted messaging platforms which have been poisoning people's minds? they are the real enemies of The People.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

This. I've had heated discussions with people who can't believe someone from outside of their country knows more than the average citizen (read: himself) knows about the country's politics.

It's called educating oneself in preparation for consequences of having an elephant in a china shop. It's also what prudent, sensible adults do. Smfh.

Hopefully this'll convince more people to turn out for the midterms and do their due diligence.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Nevermind the consequences of gerrymandering, targeted disenfranchisement, and winner take all electioneering.

Trump won the GOP primary in 2016 in no small part because our electoral system rewards name recognition over policy or popular support.

You either submit to media manipulation or you are statistically removed from the voting rolls.

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 12 points 23 hours ago
[–] painfulasterisk1@lemmy.ml 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Not "elected" once, but twice.

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

I'm pretty sure soliciting a foreign adversary to interfere in US elections twice isn't being elected, it's committing treason. I'm hoping to buy his gallbladder off eBay for scientific research once the lynching is over

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I have very little time for people who try to blame voters for a fascist coup engineered by US and russian elites.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 28 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know man, that shit (fascism) was out in the OPEN since at least Jan 6.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 4 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Fascism is a disease that humans are unfortunately susceptible to, especially when deprived of resources and education.

I would no more blame trump voters enmasse than I would blame the addicts huddled under bridges for the horrors of the drug trade.

The people to blame are those benefiting by exploiting the weaknesses of the human animal that make the lies of fascism seem appealing.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I don't recognize the need to identify the people to blame. There are multiple parties with various degrees of culpability. Yes, the primary blame lies with people who orchestrated the exploitation. But blame also lies with those who fell for such and obvious grift, and those who didn't vote, and those who voted third party out of protest.

Concentrating all blame on one party without nuance is exactly the tribalist nonsense that powers fascism.

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[–] Pothetato@lemmy.world 20 points 23 hours ago

I blame capitalism, the voters, and fascist rich fucks. Sure the trump voters were manipulated but it's like they didn't even try to think critically for a second.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

The power of media saturation can't be understated. Bezos owns the WaPo, Musk owns Twitter, Gates owns NBC, the Murdochs and the Coors Family and The Kochs and the Sinclairs have a strangle hold on local news.

Literally where do you go to get serious journalism in an age where WikiLeaks is a criminal enterprise and The Espionage Act has been invoked against more journalists in the last fifteen years than the prior fifty.

Blaming voters in an era of industrial misinformation seems wildly misguided. You have people utterly saturated in war propaganda and blood libel. Even the liberals don't know who to support anymore.

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