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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 214 points 1 year ago (3 children)

For all of you guys that aren't going to read the relatively long article, here's a TL;DR

The artist in question is Devon Rodriguez, who you will more likely recognize if I say he is "the painter who draws people on the subway, from TikTok."

He did a gallery, and this critic, Ben Davis, said that these types of subway portraits are nothing new. The portraits are good as far as realistic portraits go, but as an art critic, the portraits themselves are not very noteworthy. The videos of him making the portraits are what is noteworthy.

Devon Rodriguez didn't like the review and pointed his fans at it. His fans didn't actually read the review (nor did Devon). The fans really got stuck on the part where the critic said that you might not recognize the artist until he called him "the painter who draws people on the subway, from TikTok."

On Saturday morning, I woke up to a tidal wave of anger from Rodriguez on Instagram, tagging me across scores of posts. Hundreds of his followers went on the attack, swarming my Instagram: “loser,” “hater,” “pathetic,” “jealous,” “your a dick,” and on and on and on. There were many creative variations on “kill yourself.” Others said they were going to get me fired, or said things like, “we are going to start a cancellation campaign against you.” A large number thought that defending Rodriguez meant calling me bald, ugly, fat, or whatever they thought could get under my skin. Most didn’t seem to have actually read my article. A contingent went after my wife. “Some women will do anything for money,” one commented. That one was funny, actually.

Meanwhile, Devon makes public posts saying, of the critic, "love will always outshine being a hater, I hope I taught you that today."

The critic goes on to say that Devon Rodriguez's videos are obviously faked, and posts the most obvious example he could find, where another TikToker dances on the London Underground for 30 minutes while he makes a sketch of her that clearly seems to be from a photo not taken at the time. The whole thing has multiple camera angles, and then she acts surprised when he reveals that he drew her.

He ends talking a lot about how problematic parasocial relationships can be. These are where a lot of people feel like they "know" a famous person, but he clearly doesn't know them. And the celebrity ends up with a lot of people acting all wacky to defend him.

[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 93 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I wish we could hold people who do stuff like this with their social media platform accountable and make it so whoever does this kind of stuff would get deplatformed immediately or something.

It’s gross that some people think it’s genuinely okay to practically sic their fans on people who just… don’t like what they do, or might disagree with something they said. The fact the TikTok person also said “love will always outshine being a hater, I hope I taught you that today” is a fucking disgusting and twisted line of thinking because he’s encouraging his fans to hate on the critic - where’s the “love” in that?

[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We should also hold their fans accountable for being mindless assholes. If some guy I watch on the internet tells me that he got a bad review, my first thought is not "I should send death threats to this reviewer". Like, that's not how a normal, semi well adjusted person behaves!

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Seriously! Some content creators I like wrote books, I assume the books are going to be ok. They aren’t fiction writers idk what to tell you. Hell a friend of mine wrote a book and if critics deride it I’m going to just console her and keep recommending it to people who I think will appreciate it for what it is.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Just assume anyone who gets popular on social media platform for regularly doing something that seems unlikely is staging it. Or just assume they all stage everything.

Then there is no need to try and expose anyone because we already know they are entertainers who stage everything.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's what creeps me out about those animal rescue videos on YouTube. Like, one video of finding an emaciated kitten and nursing it back to health - cool. A whole channel full of these? Where the fuck are you "finding" all these poor animals?

[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I live in a city area next to the end of where it got developed, there are several "colonies" of abandoned cats nearby. My mom used to take care of them, we ended up with 16 cats at home just from "emaciated rescues" that we managed to bring back to health (not all made it) and didn't manage to place somewhere else, about 20+ in a couple nearby colonies, some 40+ in some farther away ones... all the time working with a "capture, spay, release" program... and I got livid when she sent me a photo with 5 kittens in a box someone had left next to a dumpster, asking if she should take them home.

If you wanted kittens, I could find you so many kittens, that you wouldn't have the time to make videos of all of them.

What you really should be asking though, is: what did they do with the grown up cats?

A well fed and cared for house cat, can live 10-15 years. Where did those YouTubers put all those kittens, for the next 10+ years?

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

In the areas that never watched Price is Right, probably.

[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

I’m sorry, but… how does that relate to what I am saying?

I was talking about how we should hold these influencers accountable for doing shit like siccing fans on critics or publicly posting the location of a critic’s house on social media after doxxing said critic. Whether their content is real or not is an entirely different conversation - I’m talking about how these social media platforms should make this kind of behavior not okay and deplatform them for basically using their fanbase and/or fame to intimidate and threaten others.

[–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

people who just… don’t like what they do

it's worse than that!

An art critic took a critical eye to his art, there are some negatives pointed out but overall it's a rather benign and positive review. This mob was unleashed because he dared to offer actual mainstream attention...

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yikes. That’s pretty fucked up of this guy. That’s mild criticism that most artists will have to hear at some point. In the era of photography where hyper realism in hand drawn art is just a skill you can learn art requires more than hyper realism to be notable. That’s just the point of modern art. It’s not a secret, I’m in stem and can’t draw for shit and I know it

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The full article is definitely worth a read. The author says that his original article was giving the artist praise, and also mentions that he probably got to where he was without having anyone criticise him.

[–] nix@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago

I always enjoyed these tiktoks, staged or not. But man this is a shitty attitude. Imagine taking it as an insult if someone identified you from your best known (and quite good) work.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 115 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't display your art to the world if you're not strong enough to take criticism

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago

This artist's mob of a following harassed an art critic for their opinion. And so did the artist himself actually! Encouraged it even. What a bum.

[–] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 72 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It wasn't even a negative review, it was constructive criticism.

[–] argo_yamato@lemm.ee 60 points 1 year ago

Never heard of this guy but no one should be surprised by his actions. Seems like folks popular only on social media tend to be very thin skinned and entitled.

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not a fan of this type of stunt.

[–] SallyTAB@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This was my first thought - that this was a calculated stunt. Talent builds intrigue, but rage gets clicks. This is sad to see as it is, but if this is a genuine reaction, it's even sadder.

I would never want anything to do with this artist, whether this was a genuine bad reaction or malicious. Just sad.

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 46 points 1 year ago

Isn’t this the dude who obviously makes staged videos? In his videos there is always an obvious cut when the camera pans from the subject in the subway to the drawing. No wonder all his fans are straight up morons

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Article says he works with "A-list celebrities"

Open TikTok link

It's Jared Leto

Birds of a feather stick together, him being a harasser isn't surprising then.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In what world is that douche an artist?

[–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

If we start excluding self centered dick bags from the title artist we are going to run out of artists really fast...

Tik Tok guy needs to understand that this will not make the critic appreciate his work.

Like this will just piss off every other critic but okay, you do you.

[–] Anonymousllama@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

This artist has a shithouse personality. How thin skinned do you have to be that any criticism warrants that type of petty approach, jeeze

[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Huh, his art is technically fine, but I've seen photorealism done better (and really, it tends to be one of the most boring genres of art imo, because it's usually more focused on accuracy than on any kind of meaning or feeling). I probably wouldn't have thought twice about him if I ever came across his work, but now my impression is that he's not particularly likeable in addition to being a pretty mediocre artist. Especially since the original review was very fair - maybe nicer than he deserved. That chicken hand was rough.

[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

An art influencer is an interesting concept.

[–] TheLordHumungus@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Haha Devon Rodriguez is a little bitch. Only a little bitch sends his followers to harass a critic.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tik Tokers pretend like the culture of building ethical parasocial relationships with your fanbase hasn't already been established years ago by Youtuber and Twitch streamers. You never send your fans to harass others. That's literally how you get banned from the platform.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

I mean yes, any rationally minded individual would understand that sending your supporters after someone is a bad idea. Being kicked off the platform has nothing to do with it, it is wrong period.

I'm more convinced it has something to do with social media induced narcissism than anything else. When your role models are all vapid and self centered, why would you be any different? And when you're a narcissist you will absolutely be so conceited as to think you're too big to fail.

Add in a little stupidity and voila: you have someone like SSSniperwolf.

[–] b00m@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What a sad life the artist must have to be so callous

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Being able to make a living through art in any way is tremendous success that most don't achieve, but it seems based on his reaction, it still isn't enough. One lukewarm review (not even a full-on pan) was enough to send him into a spiral of negativity. Definitely an instructive case study about the actual value of social media fame. Can't make you confident in yourself.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He should play George Santos in the inevitable biopic/buddy comedy of one [George Santos can play George Santos I and his best friend and occasional casual friend-with-congressional-benefits, George Santos I(I)

Edit: and like the whole 47 second credit run is populated exclusively by George Santos. Where is that schtick from btw if anyone knows? Like the gag where you are all the credits...and it goes like waaay too fast low-budget style. I feel like that was a funny part of some production within the production of the show Nathan For You but I'm not convinced that was the first time any auteur's done such a thing either seriously or because its funny

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Damn this is some thin skinned baby behavior