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A little more control ceded to the fascists, and we'll have a REAL Revolutionary Crisis(tm) which we can use to Right This Country! (lemmy.world)
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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Meanwhile, the actual results of ceding the government to fascists is... increasingly right-wing leanings in the general population

Waoh but no, if we can just SHOW those damn SHITLIBS that they'll never win, the inner socialist heart of The People will perk up and we'll lead the masses singing the Internationale straight to DC. That's how Popular Support works!

Fuck all that loser groundwork shit, that's boring and doesn't make us feel very revolutionary, while STICKING IT to THE MAN makes us feel fantastic as millions of disadvantaged folk are marked for death.

Voting may not fix the country, but not voting can sure as fuck make it worse.

[–] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 12 points 2 weeks ago

Democracy only works in combination with education. We are currently missing the latter so the best things you can do in the long run is educate everything else will only change things temporarily but makes them worse over time.

[–] NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What is groundwork? I haven't heard this term before. Is it things like protesting and voting? Propagnda? Having conversations with everyday people? Or are those something else?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Getting ready, essentially; 'groundwork' as in 'preparing the ground for a building'. Propaganda, conversations, organization, convincing people, the basic, preliminary steps to action.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

When do you think the Democrats plan to start on the groundwork?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure it's fucking up to us.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Joined a union yet?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm a freelance contractor, man.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Freelancers' Unions are a thing too.

[–] NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They are?

[–] knightly@pawb.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

They don't have as much power as worker's unions structurally but they do perform many of the same functions, yes

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[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Meanwhile, I'm here saying "both".

Do both.

Actually go help your neighbor in person. Directly. Personally. Help your fucking neighbor.

If you want Lefties excited to go vote, give us something to vote for instead of against where the Centrist Libs concede to the Fash every god damn time.

What are your thoughts on Zohran Mamdani? Give me candidates like that, and I'll bring 20 non-voters to the polls, and each will cast a ballot.

Give me another Clinton, another Cuomo, another Biden? Sorry, when I vote, I vote alone - and this isn't up to me.

Which way, Western Man? Grow the voter base, grow the party? or grow the campaign warchest from donors that want both sides indebted to their lobbyists?

How we vote in the Primary is how we can get money out of politics.

In the meantime, have you made a sandwich to give away to a stranger? Have you handed a history book to a stranger? Have you had conversations about WHY Fascism doesn't address our neighbors' needs?

Your lack of groundwork is disturbing. For as much as you care, you come off like a filthy Casual this way. Let's fix that?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How we vote in the Primary is how we can get money out of politics.

God, I just want to crush the neoliberals, to hear the lamentations of their political commentators, to see their empty suits driven before me, on ONE fucking primary before I die.

[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

This is a hilarious and I relate, but it doesn't actually help us. Or anyone. One sandwich to a homeless man? Is more actual benefit to the world than saying this.

Unless you go and start a conversation with a Red-hatter this way. Get them riled up and cheering for how you HATE the same people they do, and use it to glean some motivation deeper than "owning the libs." Then you can maybe, just maybe talk to a voter about how society has left them behind too.

You still haven't commented on Mamdani, and that disappoints me.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's the "Hit Rock Bottom and Turn Your Life Around" narrative. But it's BS - there is no rock bottom. Things can always get worse. There is no miraculous cure. You need to make change happen.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm convinced nothing short of violence will change anything in a meaningful way in the states.

Just look at the French, their government is terrified of it's people.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I’m convinced nothing short of violence will change anything in a meaningful way in the states.

That may be so, but if so, it's probably best not to strengthen the repressive reactionary entity you're planning on squaring up against.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

And you should most definitely not discuss any real plans of action on open, public forums like Lemmy. Find a private, closed, and encrypted service that can be trusted and use that.

[–] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 11 points 2 weeks ago

This is why I had to laugh so hard about the groups that wanted to organize via reddit. WTF?

[–] dropped_packet@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

Better yet, log the fuck off. Don't have sensitive conversations online. The internet isn't going to save us we have to organize locally.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not in the states, so this is purely hypothetical on my behalf.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

Definitely a good point.

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[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Are there any peole actually advocating to do nothing? How many accelerationists do you really think there are?

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

There's been a lot of positivity about Zohran Mamdani lately. A socialist winning even just a primary in the largest city in America is a big threat. So there's currently a big push to tamp down on that and portray the movement as politically unviable and a handout to the far-right.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How long have you been on this site? Nearly every day there's someone putting forward the "Aktually, Trump winning is GOOD because now The Left Will Truly Rise As Was Foretold"

[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Long enough to know that's bullshit. You sure you aren't just browsing a specific instance? I browse the all variant cause I want to see what people are thinking broadly without getting in too much of an echochamber, and I don't think I've seen even one.

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[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No. There isn't. This is just an incredibly flimsy strawman argument that fails to conceptualize that there are alternatives to voting when it comes to exerting one's political will.

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[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Holy Strawman Batman!

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Would you like me to quote some folks on this very site?

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