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I think we as Marxists should all know the basics of how to keep people fed in an emergency.

I'm not saying everyone has to be an avid gardener. Most people don't have access to enough land for that anyway. But if enough people have some very basic gardening experience it could save lives if we ever have to fully rely on mutual aid to feed people. Plus you get a nice treat out of it, and it can be cheap. No need to buy stuff. Honestly it's better if you dont. I've grown beans by just throwing old dried grocery store beans into some dirt outside before for example.

Even if you fail you learn what not to do. One of the things that all AES states have had serious issues with is food production. Cuba, DPRK, Laos still have issues with it today. It’s been a major weapon in the past for the capitalist global powers to use against AES states. Actively sabotaging their food production, or blocking imports. Having some skills in that area can be extremely important.

You can even use it as a way to engage in active decolonization. A lot of areas had european farming practices forced onto them, but had indigenous practices which were more effective for their climates, and more sustainable. A good example is the 3 sisters method in North America.

You grow corn stalks, let them mature a bit, then put vining beans around them to grow up the stalks. Then plant squash around the base to shade the ground and retain moisture. It's a highly effective method and doesnt take much land to do it.

You could even take what you grow and if you have too much donate it to people who need food.

Also if you can't garden due to not having space a good alternative is foraging. Learn what plants are edible in your area. A lot of weeds are entirely edible. I like wood sorrel it looks like little clovers and is super sour like lemon. grows pretty much everywhere. You'd be surprised how much food grows even in cities in little abandoned lots. I've had plenty of days where the only reason i had vegetables to eat was because i knew what to forage for lol. They can be a great way to round out your diet when surviving off staples like rice and beans.

If you learn how to forage some basic leafy greens, do basic first aid, and some basic gardening skills you reduce your reliance on capitalism so much for very little effort. I highly recommend it.

Like here's a dirt cheap option. Plastic grocery bag hung from the lock mechanism on a window(probably double bag it), filled a bit with dirt from outside. Put a dried bean in it from the store, and eat the rest. In a few months, if you take care of it, you'll have fresh green beans. 0$ spent that wouldn’t otherwise be spent.

I like to think about it like this. If tomorrow a loaf of bread cost 25$ all of a sudden could I survive? Could I help other people survive? One of the biggest weapons the ruling class wields against us is the fact they control the food. If we want to fight against them we are going to have to take back control over that first. Before even beginning a revolution. Otherwise they’ll just starve us out. The first step to doing that is probably you trying to grow a plant in your window and failing.

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[–] materialanalysis1938@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A big reason I think why the AES states struggle to produce food is that they have limited space for food production, especially since DPRK and Cuba have had to develop autarky, leaving even less available land for food production.

I’m not sure about DPRK because frankly, I have no idea where to look for reliable information about that country, but Cuba did shift to urban food production largely through the methods that you’ve outlined in your post and it seems as though it’s been modestly successful

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The DPRK is both land limited, and has been actively sabotaged by the US. For example the CIA paying people for cattle tails. People would go cut the tails off DPRK cattle, and bring them to CIA agents across the border in northern China to get lots of money. This caused cattle to die and not be able to be used for plowing fields.

Cuba actually has a lot of issues leftover from monoculture sugar production. Back when they were used as a plantation state by colonial regimes all the land was being used to make sugarcane. This depleted the soil and without fertilizers, which are hard to get due to the embargo, it's very hard to fix the soil.

Havana does have a lot of rooftop gardens yes, but those will never be enough to entirely supply the calories people need. It's more of a supplement for fresh produce. You still need to have a lot of open land used for it, and the best methods that are sustainable are usually what the indigenous populations were doing pre-colonization. Food forest type setups, and permaculture.

[–] materialanalysis1938@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I didn’t know about the cattle tails but my God, there’s really no fucking reprieve for the Koreans from American aggression.

That makes a lot of sense regarding Cuba, too. It can take a long time for the soil to regenerate naturally without fertilizer

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago

I mean yeah. It's like with covid. The DPRK has said the reason that covid got into their country is because someone in South Korea sent like balloons with it in there over the DMZ to fall in the DPRK and infect people. Then they had to do a lockdown, and get it under control.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Used coffee grounds produces just the right amount of nitrogen. I forget which plant in the three sisters method produces it, maybe beans.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 days ago

Yes beans are a nitrogen fixer

[–] SheWasSpeaking@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Speaking as someone who grew up in a family that idolized homesteading, and who now has a very abundant garden, I do think we should be careful with promoting the ideal of food self-sufficiency - at least on an individual level. Gardening is a lot of work. Most people don't even have enough space to produce any meaningful amount of food. Yes, you can try growing some beans on your balcony or something of that sort, but if you factor in the price of soil, potting materials, fertilizer, etc and time spent, it's hard to justify compared to just buying the food in stores, and it certainly won't be enough to feed yourself in a famine.

If you do have land, one thing you could try doing is looking into trees that produce food, because trees tend to be pretty low maintenance and abundant producers. I'm personally growing breadfruit, moringa, and ice cream bean, all of which are vigorous growers and should be abundant food sources once they're big enough. (Though I live in Hawai'i, and many places will likely have too much frost for these to survive.) You can also go with edible weeds & invasives - every area has at least a few of those. Jerusalem Artichokes (/ sunchokes), for instance, are a plant in the sunflower family native to North America that produce an abundance of roots and are virtually impossible to remove once they get going. I've personally considered keeping some air potato starts on hand in case things ever get really desperate, since they're highly invasive and produce an absurd amount of edible rhizomes.

It's a good idea to look into plants native to your area that are edible (even some weeds you consider grasses can be edibles) and lesser known fruits / vegetables / leaf greens in general. The food grown at supermarkets is generally there because it does well on large scale farms with plenty of pesticide, and more importantly, stores well. But there are hundreds (if not thousands) of other edible plants that you will never see in a store, and in many cases they'll produce food far more efficiently than seeds from a grocery store tomato. You also have to note that a lot of produce sold in stores are from hybrid varieties that won't be true to seed; if you really want to be food self-sufficient, even if you do just want to grow green beans and tomatoes, you're still going to want to look into heirloom seeds and seed saving. Finding varieties that grow well in your area is also something to consider, as again, grocery store produce is bred for mass production and won't necessarily do well where you live. Plus, if you're going to go through all that effort, you may as well grow something that brings you more joy than russet potatoes. E.g. I'm very fond of this heirloom Italian purple green bean variety which is more or less stringless when young and produces abundantly here.

I think there's a good reason so many communities have moved towards specialization. It's simply not efficient to have a few people (or even a large family) trying to do everything they need to do to survive. What we should be doing is establishing mutual aid networks for when things go bad that include farmers, people with building know-how, blacksmiths (and yes, those are still an actual thing, speaking from personal experience), etc. If you have free time and want to get your hands dirty, by all means, start a herb garden, plant some potatoes, or whatever else - but be aware that it's a lot harder than it sounds, and realistically, the vast majority of people in the west do not have access to enough land to grow a significant amount of food.

Edit: Had to rush this post b/c I had to leave the house - want to clarify that this wasn't meant as a rebuke of the OP so much as sharing my thoughts on gardening as a whole.

Also, one potential solution for the lack of space issue is finding members of the community who do have space but no time to make use of it themselves. At least where I live, this is a common situation, but I don't live in a city, so it probably won't be much help to those that do.

I think learning how to grow our own food is very important, but just as important is organizing locally and figuring out the logistics of doing so.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also on top of being able to ask people who do have the space. If for example your in a neighborhood in the city that has some abandoned lots around you can try to organize a petition and take it to the local governing body and try to get an abandoned lot turned into a community garden. You can market something like that to the typical lib NIMBY types on HOA boards pretty easily. It looks better, raises property values, reduces crime. Bla bla. Speak their language. If you pull it off they might even finance it for you. Or you can split the costs with other community members. Especially if youve got retirees in the area it's something that can get them out of the house, and give them something to do too. Which they love. A lot of retirees are super bored in the west, and just sit around watching TV all day because there's nothing else for them to do.

[–] SheWasSpeaking@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know some people do guerilla gardening and plant trees without permission, too. Sometimes nobody bothers to file the paperwork take them down.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I carry packets of native flower seed and toss it around on bike rides for the bees

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 days ago

People better get used to labor intensive life. It's upon us.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm about to make my second attempt at oyster mushrooms in two 5 gallon bucketsrat-salute-2

If successful, I will keep stacking buckets until I have a rotating mushroom tower

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 days ago

Oh that's cool i havent done mushrooms before. It's a great option for indoors huh? I wonder if you had a basement dedicated to it that you just kept feeding like wood chips into or something if that could work as a like underground farm? They could end up being a really good food source for revolutionaries since they could be grown discretely.