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The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that new Trek was always good actually. (media1.tenor.com)
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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

I remember when Voyager was the "bad" Star Trek. Now I have heard from many people that it's their favorite.

Edit: Come to think of it, I remember when DS9 was the "bad" Star Trek that was "just a Babylon 5 ripoff."

I have always been of the opinion that the best Star Trek is the Star Trek you like most. (Except for you people who like J.J. Trek the most. You're weird.)

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

Oh, hell - I’m old enough that I remember when TNG first came out. I was like “WTF is this?!” “The Enterprise is a pizza wheel now?!!” “Why does the French captain have an English accent and why is he such a prick?!!!”

To be fair, solely in the context of TOS, those first few episodes and most of the first season were pretty bizarre. I mean, those Ferengi as the main bad guys meant to replace the Klingons? Q was just out of left field. The idea was actually great in hindsight, but the execution was honestly terrible. Then the writers started figuring out the plot and the actors started figuring out their roles, and now it’s considered the standard against which all other Treks are measured.

I think it was DS9 where the First Season Rule was discovered, along with The Beardening phenomenon.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In my memory it was the just the first season of DS9 that was a struggle back when things where originally airing. My friends and I were hooked hard by season 2.

And Voyager did have a serious Berman problem. Of course if Rick Berman's handling of Voyager hadn't been so bad that it made Ronald D. Moore quit Star Trek then we may have never gotten Battlestar Galactica. So, silver linings.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

On the other hand, BSG had one of the most unsatisfying finales in the history of shows that were allowed to have a finale before cancellation.

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Game of a Thrones enters the chat

[–] Steve@startrek.website 5 points 9 months ago

The one where the crew settled on ancient earth and fucked the cavemen and time is a flat circle?

I liked it to be honest

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah. The whole second half of the last season feels like they had to change plans at the last minute - which wasn't the case as far as we know.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 7 points 9 months ago

JJ Trek hurts me

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's been a long road, but Enterprise is still my least favorite Star Trek.

Edit: I still adore parts of it. And this meme is a delight!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

It's overall my least favorite, but Manny Coto's season-long tribute to TOS before the show got canned was amazing.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I mean Enterprise did it. I've got faith.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I still defend that song. Absolutely loved it and fuck did it fit the spirit of the show. And God I loved it vs the montage of us pushing forward.

The first version of the song anyway. When they made it softer in season 3 it got bad for me.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The montage works just as well with Archer's Theme, which was the original idea and what it should have been.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsn2xVmVuGE

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

On the pro side, it's 20th century epic but it's still epic (instead of the 18th century lookalike from the others), and would keep working on seasons 3 and 4.

On the bad side, it's way too long. Could work on a theater, but not on TV.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Voyager's intro was pretty long though. So was DS9's.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

The DS9 got a really nice joke about it in LD, so I guess most people do think it's too long. But the Voyager one is less repetitive, so it feels shorter.

[–] ImpermeableMembrane@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Faith of the heart brother. ♥️ 🖖

[–] FlatFootFox@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Been rewatching Enterprise lately and knew I had to make a gif out of the, "I still don't believe in time travel," "The hell you don't" scene. Not sure I agree fully with either of their sentiments in this meme. Be chill in the comments y'all.

Edit: This is supposed to be a gif with Archer popping back up and saying, "The hell it does" at the end. Seems to play fine on the Memmy app and during the Lemmy.World web upload screen, but not some of the actual web page views. Arg!

[–] jawa21@startrek.website 1 points 9 months ago

I eventually gave up and started uploading the stuff I make to YouTube. Only reliable free video hosting out there in my experience. And that sucks. I hate it.

[–] sheepishly@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

Reminds me of a video I saw on some Marvel movie where he discussed a "skill floor" that previously existed. The movies that were considered bad back then were still competent and functional to a basic degree, while the newer ones... weren't. Thus, the bad movies then became good now by contrast. In other words, bad new Trek will become good old Trek by way of the even newer stuff somehow managing to be even worse.