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[–] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 67 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 45 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The kerry pfp is ironic but also fairly typical post for that guy.

[–] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 46 points 9 months ago

Yeah, exactly. A Kerryposter.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 47 points 9 months ago (1 children)

goy in username

hitler-detector

This thing's going off-scale!

[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

Also, SouljaGoy is a really funny name compared to the usual dredge we get from X

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 9 months ago (3 children)

i don't get it.. how is Parenti a "genocide denier"?

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 62 points 9 months ago

Well you see...morshupls

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm going to be real, I don't really understand what happened after Tito died other than it was a very violent race war and then the US started bombing cities and blew up a Chinese embassy on purpose.

But I understand that Parenti supported the Serbians pretty heavily and most liberals at least say that they're the ones who were doing a genocide.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

But I understand that Parenti supported the Serbians pretty heavily and most liberals at least say that they’re the ones who were doing a genocide

Wrong. Maybe do read his book. He didn't took the side of Serbs any more than proving that the western propaganda blaming Serbs for everything was false.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This feels like splitting semantic hairs. Regardless of the truth of the matter, if the prevailing wisdom is that a group committed genocide and you're are arguing that they didn't then I don't see how you aren't supporting them?

I'm not trying to demonize Parenti here, I think he's great.

Parenti does not claim Bosniak Serbs did not comitted genocide, ffs why so many people just parrot this outright liberal take instead of actually reading the book?

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I think he defended Milosevic. But from what I remember reading, he rejected the comparison between Hitler and cited western media/western organizations saying the same thing. He might’ve gone a step further and said something like Milosevic was serving the people. But it’s odd even if you believe Parenti is evil because how is denying a genocide worse than not only denying an ongoing one, but actively funding it and supporting it materially

[–] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

No, this is literally all about Parenti's "To Kill a Nation."

Me and a friend did a deep dive on those claims last night after seeing this post and they all circle around a zenz style natoid referencing his own articles lumping parenti in with a couple guys with "Among other genocide deniers such as:" (uncited)

Using the fact Milosevic wrote a forward for To Kill a Nation published by verso as evidence. You can see that genocide denier claim made (uncited) in many published materials about Bosnian Genocide Denial.

You can watch the associated lecture and see what's up here (01:17:15)

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is that supposed to be a reference to holo dork more?

Zionists regurgitating nazi propaganda shocked-pikachu

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 50 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I think it's supposed to be about Yugoslavia during the referenced NATO bombing.

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 54 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Oh ya, that makes more sense. I forgot that the bombing campaign was based on a 'we have to bomb them to stop the genocide' narrative. From my vague memories of hearing news stories about it, 'ethnic cleansing' was the term used most often around that time. Quite a reach to label someone opposed to a mass bombing campaign as a 'genocide denier'.

e: NATOpedia even acknowledges that the 'humanitarian crisis' was mostly precipitated by the bombing campaign itself. agony-deep

On the 10th anniversary of the bombing campaign, Ian Bancroft wrote in The Guardian: "Though justified by apparently humanitarian considerations, NATO's bombing of Serbia succeeded only in escalating the Kosovo crisis into a full-scale humanitarian catastrophe"; citing a post-war report released by the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe he concluded that it is "widely acknowledged that the bulk of the ethnic cleansing and war crimes occurred after the start of [NATO]'s campaign".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_of_the_NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia#Humanitarian_reasoning

[–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The specific issue people focus on now is the bosnian genocide/the srbenica massacre.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention when you look at the map of nationalities in Kosovo, it's pretty obvious that heavy ethnic cleansing did indeed happened, but the cleansing and cleansed was opposite to what US said.

[–] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you have any recommendations for reading on this? I know next to nothing on this aside from western brainworms

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The map itself is on wiki . About the Yugoslavia, Parenti book "To kill a nation".
There's also this, note the drop between 1991 and 2011, while all other minorities remained mostly unchanging in percentage.

[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 37 points 9 months ago
[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So sad we lost Bernie at such a young age, who knows how great he could have been

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I was re-reading People's History of the United States the other day and it bent me out of shape that Howard Zinn called Bernie Sanders a socialist.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 9 months ago

Well Zinn was a succdem, he omitted bascially entire communist movment in US and barely even mentioned communism at all.