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[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 79 points 6 months ago

JP is literally the stereotypical dilettante that he says is miserable in his book. It's probably why he is so familiar with the topic, it's a self help book for himself. If you have ever seen any of his live streams, the man literally keeps a dirty office.

That said, all JP has inspired is school shootings and pressuring for sex, he is no comparison to the man around whom both the 20th and 21st century revolves.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 74 points 6 months ago (4 children)

It used to be that reading the work of someone before you criticized them was considered a requirement. Now anybody can become an anti-Marxist without reading a single word he wrote.

[–] Emanuel 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This reminded me of his debate with Zizek. He couldn't be assed to do more than skim the Manifesto to critique Marx

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This phenomenon, I think, is due to a campaign of obfuscation and a continual attack on the meaning and substance behind these things.

These concrete terms and concepts have been reduced to vague inclinations and undefined and fundamentally nebulous and ungraspable phenomena. Instead of critiquing solid beliefs and ideas accompanied by a rigorous body of academic work, you are now critiquing and defending a “feeling”. A constant, all-encompassing and omnipresent feeling, but a feeling nonetheless. And arguments about feelings don’t have anything to do with academics. All you have to do is argue from some inherent, innate knowledge that you know you must possess because doing the reading is too much work, even as you spend hours a day posting screeds about Chinese cum machines on twitter. This is why debate has been reduced to such an uneducated joke that it can scarcely still be called debate. “Marxism” and “capitalism” - these terms have been robbed of their meaning and therefore any debate can only be devoid of intellectual vigor. How many anticommunist can name a single Marxist concept and form a coherent critique? You’d be hard pressed to find one that doesn’t just go on a meaningless tirade about 1984. This is the result of decades of American anti-intellectualism. Now we have to live in a world where the aesthetics of intellectual meaning are still there but the thing itself is dead.

Obviously, meaningful discussions occur every day. But about Marxism and in a mainstream setting? Forget about it.

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[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Idk, I can only read the word linen so many times before it starts to not seem like a real word and the rest of my language comprehension starts to degrade from there.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago

Marx failed to consider this

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[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago

Meanwhile, the dweebs who follow Peterson will of course insist that you read every word he ever wrote and watch his 2700 hours of youtube content before you're allowed to express any opinion on their doctor daddy.

It's very convenient.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

He didn't consider human nature. $1 million for this keen insight, please.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 53 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Why one of the most influential thinkers in history should have anachronistically taken the advice of a pill popping grifter who's intellectual contribution has been to make dudes even worse. Peterson has got to be one of the laziest motherfuckers in the public sphere.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 39 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Calling Pordan Jeterson an intellectual is an insult to the concept of intellectualism.

Of course someone who tells the lowest common denominator everything they want to hear is going to be popular

"Nazism le good, pollution is cool! If you're not a malignant narcissist like normal people you're a loser!'

It would be like calling McDonald's worthy of a Michelin star because it's popular.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I didn't call him an intellectual.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh, don't worry, I would NEVER accuse you of calling him one. But some poor souls do.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

Okay, good.

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[–] Maturin@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My favorite way to do things is anachronisticly

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

I mean, steampunk and retvrn people are about that. Being anachronistic via the future is harder than the past tho.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 50 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Hey Jordan

Have you fixed the world yet? No? Cleaned your room yet? No?

Then fuck off and stop telling a real political scientist who actually inspired revolutions and actually changed the world how to do his job.

Marx literally inspired the Soviets, who in turn got the first human into space. He fucking changed the world and you aren't worth the shit on his boots.

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 27 points 6 months ago

Ya but have you considered that Marx's socks were dirty?

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

Jordans only interested in cleaning his living room... oh sorry, Lebensraum 😱

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[–] indred0@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 6 months ago (2 children)

"Karl, clean your damn room or you're cut off." --Friedrich Engels

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[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 39 points 6 months ago

HENRIETTA MARX: where do you think you’re going

KARL MARX: to my room

to write more poems for Jenny von Westphalen

HENRIETTA MARX: well while you’re up there

you might as well clean the room if you’re going to be doing poems in it

KARL MARX: i’ll do it LATER

HENRIETTA MARX: i left the cleaning supplies outside your door

you’ll do it now

KARL MARX: wow mom

it’s the MEANS of production

not the CRUELS of production

https://the-toast.net/2015/08/18/dirtbag-karl-marx/

[–] FungiDebord@hexbear.net 37 points 6 months ago (3 children)

His personal life and room were a mess tbh.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 57 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And yet in the long run neither mattered. His room and personal life no longer exists, but his writings are still inspiring people today.

[–] Deinonychus@hexbear.net 35 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Karl would definitely be a hexbear user if they were around today

[–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely not. He would have a substack.

[–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 34 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Lenin would have a blogspot btw. It would be one of those weird blogspots that have been maintained for decades with weekly articles and months long discussions in the comment section.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm just imagining Lenin in AOL chatrooms arguing with others

[–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

He and Martov writing page long tracts in a years long argument on ~~a years old buffy fan forum that they're literally the only active users on.~~ gaiaonline

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[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

He would have probably gotten banned from here after digging his heels in on some necrotic struggle session tbh

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[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 36 points 6 months ago

"Hey Karl, ya heard of benzos?" - JPB

[–] Des@hexbear.net 34 points 6 months ago

history is going to forget you, Jordan

history will not forget Marx unless we destroy ourselves before building what he initially envisioned

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 32 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Cleaning your room is hard. There's a part of my room where dust accumulates and I don't want to use my vacuum all the time.

Clean rooms are bourgeois.

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[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago

Yeah, I'm gonna take Benzo Kermit's advice

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If Mr. Marks would have listened to JBP then he wouldn't have starved over a million Ukrainians to death in the holodomor.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Stalin: my room is very cluttered with all this Ukrainian grain time to clean it up stalin-comical-spoon

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

Excellent emoji use

[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago

Why A Dead Guy needs Some Pillhead's advice.

What a stupid article.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago

I thought this had to be fake, but nope. https://catalyst.independent.org/2024/04/30/karl-marx-needed-jordan-peterson/

He was lazy but greedy, always begging for money from family and friends who feared for his happiness and sanity.

lol

He was so self-centered one wonders if he was on the spectrum.

Nice ableism, fuck off.

Who are Catalyst and the Independent Institute behind it, you ask? Answer: a ”libertarian think tank” that has taken money from Koch (of course), published climate change denialism, and once ran an anti-antitrust ad in the Washington Post and New York Times that was sponsored by Microsoft.

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/fighting-climate-chaos/climate-deniers/front-groups/independent-institute/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Institute

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago

They do realize the man was exiled from his home country and under surveillance by multiple state secret police

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago

The idea that there is, out there in the world, one motherfucker dumb enough to read this and take it seriously is enough to make me wanna go back in time and pulverize the first human ancestor to crawl out of the sea

[–] angrytoadnoises@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

There's a lot of like, lifestyle attacking when it comes to Marxism. I got a book from my father in law once that was an epic take down of Marxism, but focused a lot on points like Marxists are miserable people, Marxists wouldn't be Marxists if they were happy, etc. Guess it's just typical avoiding the actual logic at hand, but it's still interesting, and at the very least funny when you try and retroactively apply it to some guy in the 1800s you are entirely disconnected from

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago

Nothing of note depends on the cleanliness of my room.

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

JBP's gonna take this so strongly that he's gonna invent time travel just to fulfill it. Watch!

[–] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 27 points 6 months ago

Dear Friedrich,

Today a strange Canadian man appeared in my apartment and started berating me in broken German about the messy state of my rooms. I drove him away with a few stout blows from a fireplace poker which I had recently retrieved from the pawn shop.

Yours,

Karl

PS: send more money I'm broke again lol

[–] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 6 months ago

Petterson need to clean his fucking brain and Kermit mouth.

[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Marx wrote a bunch of books about how to make a communist utopia, but he didn't consider one thing: human nature

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I am going to become the Joker

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[–] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

Have to wonder which historical figure, that either libs or conservatives fawn over, was the messiest bitch.

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