Yup, kind of like when we torture people and they call it 'enhanced interrogation'.
Give something a sanitized term and people will run with it.
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IDK, NYT has it's issues but I don't see anything wrong with their headline on this. They're pretty explicit (possibly even skeptical given the other coverage of this...) that that's what israel is calling these strikes. What else should they have said?
Oh wait hang on, "Israel assures west that IDF are 'working closely' with amrrican appointed DEI council to ensure no demographic group is unfairly left out of genocidal campaign". They probably could have gone with that. Fucking hell, the only thing that makes my blood boil more than this ~~limpwristed~~ edit: wrist slap-y journalistic coverage is the literal cauldron of blood the IDF keeps scooting out of frame every time biden facetimes them...
limpwristed
Might need to sunset that term dude.
If referring to a male, having effeminate qualities or characteristics perceived to be homosexual in nature.
Oh for... thanks. I've been using that one to mean 'weakly slapped' for the better part of my life.
Another one for the list of "Wait, that's a slur?" "Always has been"
Oily Josh, why are so many idioms based in bigotry?
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The irony is that the tweet is the exact type of propaganda it's claiming to call out. They just want to undermine faith in Western media because if you can't trust them - and despite having some obvious failures they have proven to be the most consistently reliable sources - then they are free to feed you emotional manipulation to push their own agenda.
Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building emotional superstructures over events that never happened. I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various “party lines.
~ George Orwell (Not from a book, this is his actual experience after fighting alongside the Spanish against fasciscm.)
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Nyt and Guardian seem fine, (in)directly quoting the idf.
It's "strange" how imperial propaganda is always quoting the IDF but never the resistance.
I see a lot of articles quote the Gaza health ministry about casualty statistics
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The problem isn't them quoting it. The problem is passing along the blatant misinformation as truth. Why are you using their words when it's very clearly wrong?
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The strikes - whether you agree with them or not and regardless of your political posture - are genuinely seen as militarily preemptive. Israel apparently expected a large Hezbollah attack and tried to get in there first. They “preempted” any such attack. The Guardian employs actual speech marks - so it’s not an opinion but a quote. Newspapers can report what people say, even if the editorial policy is contrary to what gets reported. Linguistically the headli(n)es are correct. (I haven’t taken sides in the Israel-Gaza conflict as I know both sides are currently led by scum who have no qualms about slaughtering innocent people for their own personal gain and have no interest in any meaningful peace.)
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The tnyt title looks accurate to me: it says Israel is striking Lebanon AND that Israel is casting these strikes as pre-emptive.
The title is not saying that tnyt believes that the strikes are actually pre-emptive, instead it's reporting that Israel claims that the strikes are pre-emptive. Which is accurate, since Israel does in fact claim that.
Same with the Guardian. "in self-defense" is quoted, something Israel is saying
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The Guardian is clearly quoting. Judging an article by its title is like judging a book by its cover: clearly misguided.
So is the NYT title
I never saw "pre-emptive" as an absolving term. You just decided to strike first: it's relatively free from any connotations of propriety in my mind.
While I acknowledge that the MBFC does have some right wing bias, I think it serves its purpose. Aka to flag literal propaganda “news” sites.
The titles are literally accurate in the image. Israel is (unethically) launching preemptive strikes.
If you look at the .ml news communities that don’t use MBFC you will see that way too many news stories are from literally Russia Today, Southern China Morning Post, and other extremely biased to a very particular agenda publications.
I think people are trying to tie MBFC to being Zionist just so the bot will be dropped and it will be easier for them to normalize things like Russia Today outside of .ml spaces.
that's quite the theory.... does the bot somehow prevent posts from those places? were there more instances of popular posts from those places before the bot?
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The rocket attacks Hezbollah did launch shortly afterwards lends a lot of credibility to Israel's claim it was preemptive.
If I walked up and started punching you in the face because I said you looked like you were about to punch me...
Would you just let me beat you up to prove you weren't gonna punch me?
Especially knowing there's no one that would stop me from beating you up if you didn't defend yourself?
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Hezbollah counter-attacking after being attacked by Israel, does not mean that Hezbollah would have attacked if they had not been attacked first. If your neighbour is a bully, then it's probably best to not be a pushover.
What does lend the "pre-emptive" claim credibility, is that afterwards Hezbollah said that they had retaliated for the murder of one of their commanders in Beirut. So the Hezbollah attack was not a counter-attack, but rather an attack that they had been preparing for weeks already.
If attacked they attack, that's shitty evidence because they would have struck back anyway.
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"Pre-emptive" and "self-defense" are objectively true here. Hezbollah initiated its current conflict with Israel and continues to launch attacks; Israel is fighting defensively and destruction of Hezbollah assets prevents future attacks on Israel.
(You might believe that Hezbollah is justified in attacking Israel, but it's still the attacker and Israel is still the defender.)
"Pre-emptive" and "self-defense" are objectively true here.
Is it opposite day already? Better get my festive sash!
Hezbollah initiated its current conflict with Israel
According to the IDF and American intelligence who came to the conclusion within an hour arter the attack, have shown no proof to support the claim and both have a history of false conclusions and outright fabrications when it suits their pro-Israel narrative.
Israel is fighting defensively
Nope. There's no defensive way to bomb civilian targets. That's not how the word or indeed the world works.
destruction of Hezbollah assets prevents future attacks on Israel.
On the contrary: Hezbollah is a terrorist group.
Just like with Hamas in Gaza, every Lebanese civilian murdered by the IDF makes Hezbollah more influential and thus more powerful as the number of people radicalized by the murder of their loved ones rises.
You can't bomb a terrorist organization out of existence any more than you can make your neighbors like you by killing their parents.
You might believe that Hezbollah is justified in attacking Israel
Nope. Not at all.
Israel is still the defender
Also no, though. Their actions and their unconditional US support is the number one cause of political instability and violence in the Middle East.
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This is some George W Bush doublespeak.
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fuck hamas
Is a 'massive strike' bigger or smaller than a 'large-scale attack'?
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