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Except for Caesar, he knows he's being a dick
At least one of those groups actively caused it or at least knew it was coming.
So for them it was more about turning every other ideology into ash so they'd be all that was left...
NCR is continuing the status quo which sucks. But its a hell of a lot better than the rest.
Caesar is actually described as having a "neutral" karma. He doesn't think he is evil, since people he gets killed are all barbarians anyway. Let's say he just favor order above all.
I mean, sure, the legion is portrayed as the bad guys and the game don't give you that many occasions to get to know them, but if you search for some lore about Caesar, the legion can look like a valid option without playing an evil/bad karma character, just like any other faction.
Also, Nipton had it coming anyway.
Caesar is a slaver. That's automatically evil.
Barbarians or not, a lottery for life is a lottery and that's too fucked
Caesar is actually described as having a “neutral” karma. He doesn’t think he is evil, since people he gets killed are all barbarians anyway. Let’s say he just favor order above all.
counter argument, get crucified you degenerate. Or become a slave.
Yeah? What about the NCRCF fiasco? Not only the NCR is doing their own brand of slavery, but they fail at it so hard it created a brand new raider faction - with dynamite. Caesar's legion is at least competent in managing slavery.
Not only the NCR is doing their own brand of slavery
Caesar’s legion is at least competent in managing slavery
So your problem with the NCR is that they are only "enslaving" criminals instead of 50% of the population while crucifying the rest?
It's that they gave weapons to criminals and allowed them to organize. Doing so, they caused more harm than good, which would have never happened with the Legion's methods.
Doing so, they caused more harm than good
which is that instead of having the powder gangers threaten a few people, they should have crucified the powder gangers, enslaved or crucified the people that they're threatening, and burnt the places the people are living in to the ground, because that's less harm?
Yes, because the profligates usually have the option to surrender and join the legion. Those who are fit for combat can become legionaries, they don't necessarily end up crucified or enslaved.
what if.... hear me out... people would prefer to give a few bucks to some idiots with dynamite to being enslaved, being forced into combat or being crucified.
"give a few bucks" to the powder gangers is not what happens when you side with them instead of Ringo. They will take control of Goodsprings and kill most important folks there.
Oh wow, does Caesars legion give better guns to Sunny and the woman that runs the bar? And I'm sure they have a good retirement plan for easy Pete, and Doc Mitchell will get access to better medical supplies right?
Oh wait. Slave ,slave, crucified, crucified.
That's simply not true. Look at Caesar's ending outro.
The Legion occupied all major locations, enslaving much of the population and peacefully lording over the rest. Under the Legion's banner, civilization - unforgiving as it was - finally came to the Mojave wasteland.
After the Legion's victory, Caesar, out of a strange respect for his old fellows, allowed the Followers safe passage out of the wasteland. Reluctantly, the Followers accepted the offer and abandoned Old Mormon Fort to the Legion.
The Legion, preoccupied with its acquisition of New Vegas, scarcely took notice of the town of Goodsprings. Many locals moved on, fearful of Caesar's long shadow. Only the old and the stubborn remained.
As reward for they loyal service, Caesar forcibly integrated the Great Khans into the Legion.
After Hoover Dam, the leaderless Powder Gangers at the Correctional Facility vanished into the wastes, leaving the prison empty.
Though Caesar keeps Primm open for business, its citizens live under the constant watch of Legion soldiers.
...and that is with an evil karma. With good karma and depending on the player's choices, some factions have an "easier" ending (fleeing west instead of fighting and losing to the Legion).
It shows that those who surrender to Caesar can continue their lives with more stability and without the usual constant danger of the wasteland.
Roads are safer and some people still keep their autonomy.