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Donald Trump’s appointment of John Phelan, a private investment firm chairman with no military experience, as Secretary of the Navy has sparked backlash from some of his supporters on Truth Social.

Many pro-Trump users, including veterans, criticized the pick as rewarding a donor or friend instead of selecting someone with Navy experience.

Some expressed feelings of betrayal, accusing Trump of abandoning their values and making decisions that harm the nation.

The move has raised questions about qualifications and loyalty among his base.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

This? This is what they have a problem with?

Gestures at 2017 to 2021, and everything that's happened, been uncovered, and said by the orange one since.... And none of that was over the line for you?

What?

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

Just wait until Project 2025 shit starts biting them in the ass.

Unfortunately, it's going to be such a shitshow that I won't be able to enjoy the leopard eating their faces.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 21 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

its not really deception when hes made the things hes gonna do clear

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 hours ago

"We're appalled, shocked even, that the face eating leopards, which have advertised themselves clearly as face-eating leopards for the last several years, have begun eating our faces!"

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 17 points 11 hours ago

Get used to that, kids.

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

"Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down? You'll have to get more specific as to which particular deception you mean."

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 13 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

if only he had openly expressed disdain for veterans, maybe they would've known he doesn't give a shit about them.

oh wait. he did.

for all the lies he told, he didn't deceive you. you're likely not wealthy so you didn't vote for him for that reason. so that leaves only the possibility that you're just a piece of shit racist and/or sexist asshole. so fuck you, i hope every single day for his entire administration will be worse for you than the day before.

[–] capital@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

These are the times when reality hits you over the head, regardless of if you live in reality or not.

The next one may very well be when veterans loose their benefits and the checks stop coming. Can't really hide from that in your alternate reality.

[–] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago

Oh my god they're so fucking stupid. They actually thought he'd do things that benefitted them?

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 22 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Let me get this straight. Team Trump's thing is to always pick the worst for the job. And not just the worst, we are talking polar opposite black mirror picks. It is designed to make a mockery of the establishments. Like going into court and finding out your judge is literally bozo the clown.

So his team farts out another pick. Someone who is an unqualified shitstain. Color me surprised!

I would not be surprised if this guy couldn't swim and is afraid of the water. He is probably an anti-oceaner who thinks we should drain the ocean to prevent drownings.

[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

It is designed to make a mockery of the establishments. Like going into court and finding out your judge is literally bozo the clown.

So his team farts out another pick. Someone who is an unqualified shitstain. Color me surprised!

This response should be the preamble of the Lemmurist Manifesto.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

He is probably an anti-oceaner who thinks we should drain the ocean to prevent drownings.

He just happens to know these nice out of town people with fusion reactors that can float in the air and suck it all up for us to keep us safe.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 64 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, they really are that gullible.

[–] eluminx@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago

I hate myself for laughing so hard at these type of news, but it is what it is. The next 4 years will have so many articles with similar titles. I will keep crying and laughing all the same!

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 10 points 17 hours ago

No one is immune from propaganda.

[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago

Aaahahahaha, we are so fucked, this is almost back around to being fun to watch.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 37 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (6 children)

next 4 years are gonna be made much more tolerable from watching all the conservative bleating and handwringing about "HE WASNT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO HURT THE NOT-MES!"

[–] ours@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Leopard ate my face at its finest.

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[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 23 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

What fans said that? Seriously, all these articles and posts seem like the most pathetic form of copium.

"Oh boy, his supporters must really be feeling bad now right? Right?!" Wrong. His supporters are not having second thoughts. They're not regretting their choices. They aren't feeling betrayed. They are overjoyed, and the constant attempts to reframe that as some Leopards-eating-faces schadenfreude is the stupidest thing I've seen all year, and I watched the run up to the election.

All these fucking posts are either based around like 1-2 tweets from no-name people, obviously fake accounts, or the worst; obviously made-up anecdotal stories from leftists, desperate to feel good about themselves, about how some right-winger in their life suddenly regrets all their choices. "Oh my racist uncle is a farmer and he's really feeling betrayed by Trump now. He's sooooo mad and-" Fuck off. No he's not. You haven't talked to your estranged uncle in years and have no idea what he's feeling if he even exists.

Miserable leftists desperately pretending that right-wingers are regretting their vote and secretly feeling as miserable as them. Grow the fuck up. They aren't regretting things. They won, and they're happier than pigs in shit about it.

[–] abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago

The thing these articles are doing (which sensationalist articles always do) is taking a few people's opinions and spreading it across the entire blanket "they" of whatever opposite side the article references. It appeals to people because its easier for people to generalize the whole group than to point to a niche section.

This one in particular takes a few people who are interested in the secretary of the Navy and says they're upset at the choice, which they might be, and spins it into "They're all upset at what their leader did."

You can find this rhetoric all over the political spectrum, whether it's copium or relishing. Take it with a grain of salt.

You are not immune to propaganda.

[–] 1ns1p1d@lemm.ee 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

The irony of making fun of "leftists" for believing this shit is not lost on "leftists". Most of us don't believe it. However, most Trump supporters absolutely HAVE to believe this kind of bullshit, because Trump wouldn't appeal to you WITHOUT this exact kind of dishonest media.

I think what's happening is people are angry that they have been consistently correct about their fear of Trump, yet Trumpers pretend we were wrong even when the reality is right in front of you now. Like, literally, all of the reasons we have warned about Trump are coming true.

Every single argument against Trump goes the same way. Trump supporters deny the claim. Then, when it looks like its coming true, they re-frame it with desperate speculation until it actually comes true. Then they pretend that's what they all wanted in the first place.

"Haha...the libs are angry about it...we won!...lets keep marching towards the spinning blades patriots!"

I mean, seriously. The lies! So many lies. So many PROVEN right in front of you lies? So many incoherent rants. Threats of violence. Multiple different "genres" of crimes. Venomous hatred against minorities and other human fucking beings. Is it supposed to be some kind of tacitcal political genius against people who don't get it? Why? Why don't any of you ever explain why? Wouldn't it make sense to be comprehensible to liberals too? Is he pretending to be an obnoxious, evil, demented, bully or not? He sure does a remarkable impersonation of a childish, rich, asshole.

"I will deliberately make people think I'm terrible using hateful bigotry and childish insults and nicknames but my supporters will know otherwise because only they will have the key to my secrets...and that's why liberals are stupid and my supporters are so smart"

Not much of a tactic is it?

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Around my mega family now, They have zero regrets and love every choice is making. But to them Trump is a smart business man and can do no wrong.

[–] allidoislietomyself@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Yep, my family regards him as a diety, chosen by God to lead America. He can do no wrong as he is God's vessel on Earth and acts only with divine will. So even if he makes what appears to be a mistake, it's actually all part of God's plan. Like God he is infallible.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 76 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Some expressed feelings of betrayal, accusing Trump of abandoning their values and making decisions that harm the nation.

If only someone could have predicted this and warned them, over and over, for years...

[–] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

If only the person they voted for had said he intended to do this exact thing LOUDLY, REPEATEDLY AND PUBLICLY for the last 4 years...

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 14 hours ago

If only... Oh well, I guess we'll never know what that would have been like...

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I'm reading this as a hedge fund is going to buy out the navy and shut it down.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 11 points 18 hours ago

They'll award contracts that will weaken the military without cutting spending. Like what already happened to Russia.

Lease it to China so the invasion of Taiwan makes a profit instead costs American lives and treasure.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago

Some expressed feelings of betrayal, accusing Trump of abandoning their values and making decisions that harm the nation.

Like every single one of his moves this time?

Even the efficency and cost cutting are being done too harshly to maintain service levels. But denyong services is priority 1b.

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 26 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It feels a bit like when a company has been taken over by a VC firm.
And you start finding out how they're going to suck the juice out, while all the management involved in the decision pretend it's all rosy.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 16 points 22 hours ago

The difference is that with a VC takeover, it is not something the employees voted for.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 35 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Some expressed feelings of betrayal, accusing Trump of abandoning their values and making decisions that harm the nation.

Those are "their" values, not his. And for a rubble he'll get new values.

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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Every criticism of trumps cabinet picks are 100% for a fact over stated. I know the average Republican and they do not give a fuck. They won't be satisfied until Trump crowns himself king.

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[–] fuzzyspudkiss@midwest.social 124 points 1 day ago (9 children)

If you still voted for Trump after 2016-2020 and Jan 6th then you deserve what you get. Welcome to the find out stage, it just sucks that I have to be here with you.

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[–] indomara@lemmy.world 74 points 1 day ago
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 94 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Dude said that dead soldiers were losers abd disrespected the Arlington cemetery and they are surprised by this one?

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 252 points 1 day ago (8 children)

zero sympathy for these idiots. you elected a con man. youre getting exactly what you paid for.

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 147 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Election is over, he does not care what anyone thinks.

[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 98 points 1 day ago (12 children)

This is the most terrifying part. They say that he's "liberated" now, but to me that just means he has nothing to lose. Assuming he lives past January 2029, he has nothing to lose and everything to gain by throwing all resources into staying in power. He has no reason to give a fuck about whether anything he does or says is "popular" once he's sworn in. There will be zero consequences for anything until he leaves office, if he leaves office.

The dumb motherfucker proved that somebody with the mentality of a six year old can win the US presidency and then do whatever the fuck he wants, and he'll never face a single, real, goddamn consequence. I am ashamed of my country, and it's horribly depressing how many people died serving our military just to have this flag-hugging dipshit get to be the commander in chief, and he'll sell out to the highest bidders and get several more killed.

We're fucked, and only a small fraction of his worshipers are even beginning to see that. And when the shit hits their fan specifically, most of them will find a way to blame somebody else, probably somebody who is brown and/or has a vagina. Most of these incurious assholes will line up for whatever strong daddy negs them hard enough, and right now that's trump, and there will be a new strong daddy successor to tell them what to do and who to love and how to dress. Strong daddy hurts you and controls you, but at least you don't have to make decisions for yourself when you have strong daddy there to tell you what to think.

Fucking pathetic.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 159 points 1 day ago (4 children)

These veterans not read project 2025 and realize they are about to lose their benefits?

Zero sympathy for them. I feel bad for the veterans who saw through the bullshit.

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