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They all have iPhones and Google Android. Since all my calls and text messages are monitored on their phones, am I causing any additional harm to myself by using Google Messages on GrapheneOS? That way I could at least use RCS messaging.

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[–] kipo@lemm.ee 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't Google Messages require access to your contacts to even run? My experience was that it didn't even ask permission; it just gave itself permission when I first launched it.

[–] yourFanatic@sh.itjust.works 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It did that to me also. As soon as i tapped Agree, i saw that it had more permissions enabled.

If I was installing it again, I'd try turning off network access before tapping Agree but I'm not sure if this would work.

edit On GrapheneOS you can use scopes and decide which contacts it has access to.

[–] 7eter@feddit.org 1 points 12 hours ago

last time i checked i couldn't get G-Messages to run without proper PlayServices installed.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

Google RCS, which is effectively just another proprietary internet messaging app despite being based on a standard at least claims to use end-to-end encryption, and is probably more resistant to mass surveillance than SMS. If those are your options, Google RCS is an upgrade.

[–] satanmat@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

You can lead a horse to water, you cannot make it drink.

With my people from we use Signal.

Friends and family stick to text as it too hard to make everyone else change.

Because their friends use text… why change…

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] TGhost@lemm.ee 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Don't cut off contacts unless absolutely necessary.

I did it for years, and now I’m living again; I have access to events too, simply because I’m now on WhatsApp and Discord. It’s a shame, but that’s how it is. But you can control what you decide to say, and make a physical appointment and then share IRL.

If you choose to boycott, the big risk is standing alone and just arming yourself, as you mentioned.

I think you already know the answer.

Joining a militant network is another way to find people who share your concerns, but you will have to search for them, and that can require a significant effort. But you will have new friends, and make your socials, bigger. Thats a good thing.

You will have many networks, separated.

I don’t know what else to say.

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

From now on, I'm ending every post with an "I dont know what else to say." Fucking mint.

Edit: I don't know what else to say.

[–] TGhost@lemm.ee 1 points 15 hours ago

Hihi a pleasure 😂😘

I don't know what else to say 😊😊

[–] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

IMHO it's not just about the messages but whatever else the app might have access to just by being installed on your phone.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 8 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

And being a Google app, which means it can access everything.

I'd sooner use a regular SMS app, and not reward their behaviour. Which is what I do. You want to use garbage like SMS or RCS? Then you suffer the issues that come with SMS.

[–] TGhost@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

GrapheneOS+shelter app should do the work. At least on WhatsApp and co.

[–] yourFanatic@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] TGhost@lemm.ee 3 points 15 hours ago

https://f-droid.org/packages/net.typeblog.shelter/

And with GOS, don't hesitate to explore settings for each apps, even in the work profile

Good luck to you, and have fun

[–] tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago

As long as you keep it's permissions locked down, it's better because at least with GMessages you get encryption on some charts whereas SMS is just pure text being sent through your cell provider.

[–] palitu@aussie.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Beeper can bridge those into a matrix chat. Then at least you can chat with people who or on a privacy related one as well as the heathens in Facebook messenger

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Can you host a similar bridge to XMPP?

[–] palitu@aussie.zone 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Not sure about xmpp, but definitely matrix

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 2 points 13 hours ago

I know about Matrix, a Matrix server is just more demanding to host.