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Enjoy your freedom while it lasts, everyone with skin color darker than a peach in America.
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Leftists: Elon is a fascist
Centrists: No he isn't, it's not ok for you to say that.
Elon's Dad: Elon is finally the Nazi we wanted him to be.
Centrists: Uh....
As a centrist, I think it's totally okay to say that. I oppose extremism, not common sense
Elon's maternal grandparents relocated from Canada to South Africa in the early 1900s as they knew the Afrikaner government was a stronghold of support for Nazism outside of Germany.
Man, how is this something you just share in an interview as if it's just a nice piece of family history.
Isn't it a bit anachronistic to talk about Nazism in the 1900s? There were precursor German nationalist movements then, but the name "Nazism" is from later. That said, it sounds like Musk's family were ready to embrace it good and early.
Edit: Maybe that date is a misprint? Musk's mother was born in 1948. If her parents decided to move to South Africa in the 1900s for political reasons they'd have to have been adults then, which would make them implausibly old parents. Or maybe "early 1900s" is being used to mean "first half of the 20th century"?
Another edit: It seems that the maternal grandparents moved to South Africa in 1950, not the early 1900s. So it had nothing to do with Nazism per se, but quite a lot to do with thinking like Nazis:
But in 1950, Haldeman’s “quirky” politics led him to make an unusual and dramatic choice: to leave Canada for South Africa. Haldeman had built a comfortable life for himself in Regina, Saskatchewan’s capital. His chiropractic practice was one of Canada’s largest and allowed him to possess his own airplane and a 20-room home he shared with his wife and four young children. He’d been active in politics, running for both the provincial and national parliaments and even becoming the national chairman of a minor political party. Meanwhile, he’d never even been to South Africa.
What would make a man undertake such a radical change? Isaacson writes that Haldeman had come “to believe that the Canadian government was usurping too much control over the lives of individuals and that the country had gone soft.” One of Haldeman’s sons has written that it may have simply been “his adventurous spirit and the desire for a more pleasant climate in which to raise his family.” But another factor was at play: his strong support for the brand-new apartheid regime.
An examination of Joshua Haldeman’s writings reveals a radical conspiracy theorist who expressed racist, anti-Semitic, and antidemocratic views repeatedly, and over the course of decades—a record I studied across hundreds of documents from the time, including newspaper clips, self-published manuscripts, university archives, and private correspondence. Haldeman believed that apartheid South Africa was destined to lead “White Christian Civilization” in its fight against the “International Conspiracy” of Jewish bankers and the “hordes of Coloured people” they controlled.
Elon Musk’s Anti-Semitic, Apartheid-Loving Grandfather
Archive link: https://archive.is/x3OYY
Nazi party was only formed in 1920. Had to be after that. And I don't think the Nazi party faced much international ire until late 30s. IANAHistorian.
Elon’s maternal grandparents relocated from Canada to South Africa in the early 1900s as they knew the Afrikaner government was a stronghold of support for Nazism outside of Germany.
This sentence is a mess.
The Nazi part wasn't formed until the 1920s.
South Africa was run by the British in the early 20th century. The Afrikaners were at this point, completely disenfranchised after the Boer War.
It wasn't until the 1940s under the National party (yes, there were named after the German National party !). that the Afrikaners and English began to share power.
BTW, the apartheid system was designed with the help of an Indian lawyer you may have heard of - Mahatma Ghandi.
Wonder what to make of this report then.
It's The Mirror reporting on The Daily Mail, so it has been through two rounds of incoherent tabloid garbling. We can't really know what to make of it unless we can find a better source for Musk's family history. This particular claim about when and why his grandparents moved to South Africa isn't in the Mail interview and The Mirror doesn't name a source for it except "a separate interview."
However, we can be fairly certain that Elon and his dad are both nasty pieces of work:
'Elon thinks woke is a joke. He's said it's got to end. I forget his exact words, but he's starting a war on woke. He says woke has taken his oldest son from him.'
He's referring to Elon's trans daughter Vivian Jenna Wilson, who he's said on 'X' has been 'killed by the woke mind virus'.
Edit: Turns out Musk's maternal grandparents moved to South Africa in 1950, not the early 1900s:
Elon Musk’s Anti-Semitic, Apartheid-Loving Grandfather
Archive: https://archive.is/x3OYY
Yes, we can all see Elon is embracing his heritage of brutal apartheid.
His father is being quite explicit that he thinks Nazism is Elon Musk's true heritage.
Both
There you have it again, folks. Nazis.
"I don't think they knew what the Nazis were doing."
😂
Musk:
They had "no idea" what the Nazis were but moved from a country against Nazis to a country with a strong base of Nazi sympathisers...
I wonder why people might think they were Nazis hmmm.
Elon was always "embracing" this side of himself, just that before 2016 he had to be more covert about it, as did all the other racist woodlouse that came out of the woodwork
Piece of shit to the core. Doesn't plop far from the shit tree.
At first, I thought it was the onion because, what the fuck
I can't wait to see the Infowars headlines.
So proud of his Nazi son.
This is so messed up.
Check out Errol Musk's relationship with his own stepdaughter. He has fathered two children with her.
Elon Musk's dad is Elon Musk's brother?
It's kind of weird that there's nothing from her about it. I wonder what will come out when Errol dies
Fortunately, we know this man made his fortune from blood emeralds.