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”I swear, you’ve read those first contact protocols more than Picard.” Gwyn is too polite to reply that she, an alien child who grew up in a Delta Quadrant labour camp, has has no context for who Admiral Jean-Luc Picard is, even if he was captain of Starfleet’s flagship.

• Asencia [Jameela Jamil] escaped capture in the previous season’s “Supernova, Part 1” after murdering the Diviner.

• Janeway’s admiral’s log records the stardate as 61859.6.

    • The most recent stardate prior this episode was 61302.7, given in the fourteenth episode of season one, “Crossroads”.

• This is the first time we’re learning that the Diviner’s [John Noble] name was…is? Ilthuran. In season one, he was only ever referred to by his title.

”We were just a bunch of nobodies on a rock. No hope, no future, until we found that ship.” Dal is referring to the events of the season one premiere episodes “Lost and Found”.

• The crew of the USS Voyager and their allies used temporal shielding during conflicts with the Krenim during “Year of Hell” and “Year of Hell, Part II”.

”Refuse to help my own daughter? Surely I don’t make that bad of a father, do I?” The Diviner choose to abandon Gwyn on a sentient planet that manifested the nightmares of its inhabitants and then consumed them in “Terror Firma”.

• The Vulcan Nova Squadron cadet is named Maj’el, for the late Majel Barrett, who portrayed:

    • Number One

    • Christine Chapel

    • Lwaxana Troi

    • The Computer in TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, “Star Trek Generations”, “Star Trek First Contact”, “Star Trek Insurrection”, “Star Trek Nemesis”, and 2009’s “Star Trek”

    • Several other characters in TAS, including Amanda Greyson and M’Ress

• This is the first on screen mention of a sonic toilet.

• Maj’el claims that Vulcan psychic abilities are enhanced in the presence of other telepaths. I believe this is the first time this has been explicitly stated, or even implied on screen.

• One of the crew who gets on the turbolift with Maj’el calls for deck 32. In the previous episode, Zero said that the USS Voyager A has 29 decks.

”Warp cores are so beautiful up close. It’s the delta radiation.” Delta radiation? You mean the thing that melted captain Christopher Pike and consigned him to a tortured existence in a beep chair? Too soon, Zero, too soon.

    • Mirror Charles Tucker III was also deformed by long term exposure to delta rays.

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I hope memes are okay here

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I seem to recall a few people who were upset that they didn't know these existed the last time it was discussed.

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• It’s perhaps interesting that the opening sequence for the show (or at least this episode) has not changed from the first season. Because of that, we still see elements such as the USS Protostar which was destroyed in in season one’s “Supernova, Part 2”, and a representation of the Emergency Janeway Hologram, which sacrificed herself in that same episode.

    • In the episode, when asked if the Protogies would be taking a Protostar-class starship for their mission, the Doctor [Robert Picardo] says, ”The Protostar is still under construction.”

• The episode opens with Murf [Dee Bradley Baker] engaged in a tactical training exercise at Starfleet Academy. The cadets, other than Murf, are wearing a uniform we haven’t seen before.

• An officer hands Murf a PADD with a message from Admiral Janeway [Kate Mulgrew], and the other Protogies each receive one as well. In the message they’re referred to as ”Starfleet Academy hopefuls.” It was established in “Supernova, Part 2” that the Protogies wouldn’t be accepted into the Academy ahead of more qualified entrants, but would become warrant officers training under Janeway’s command.

• When Rok-Tahk [Rylee Alazraqui] receives the message, she is in the middle of a presentation on lieutenant Edward Larkin, and citing the events of the “The Trouble With Edward” short.

”She’s probably Queen of Solum by now.” The Protogies lament the absence of Gwyn [Ella Purnell], who separated from them in “Supernova, Part 2” on her own mission to her species homeworld.

• A shuttlecraft arrives, bearing the registry number NCC-74656-A. Hey, NCC-74656 was the USS Voyager’s registry!

    • Shuttles with the same registry were seen in “Supernova, Part 2”, fishing the Protogies out of San Francisco Bay.

• The shuttle contains Voyager’s Emergency Medical Hologram, the Doctor, who apparently still has not chosen a name for himself, though he is willing to claim the title ”Hero of the Delta Quadrant.”

”I’m a doctor, not a butler.” The Doctor echo’s Doctor McCoy’s phrase, first uttered in “The Devil in the Dark”, where he stated, “I’m a doctor, not a bricklayer.”

    • Though Bones was the originator of the phrase, the Doctor is easily the character who has uttered it the most.

    • Doctor Bashir, the EMH Mark II, Doctor Phlox, and Doctor Culber, have all had variations of the line as well. Doctor T’Ana has not used the phrase on screen, but Boimler has imitated her saying it, albeit with a lot more curses than most Starfleet doctors.

• The Doctor explains that he’s able to move about thanks to his mobile emitter, and bit of 29th century technology he acquired in “Future’s End, Part II”.

• The Doctor refers to having written a holonovel he wrote that ”was very well received.” Presumably he is not recalling “Photons Be Free” the holonovel he wrote features in the episode “Author, Author” as that was not about a bond between a hologram and its crew.

• The mission Janeway is taking the Protogies on is to observe the wormhole created by the destruction of the Protostar in “Supernova, Part 2”.

    • The Doctor explains that a distress call from Captain Chakotay [Robert Beltran] came through the wormhole, reiterating what we saw in “Supernova, Part 2”.

• We get to see the USS Voyager A in spacedock. It is a Lamarr-class starship.

    • The Lamarr-class was named for scientist and actor, Hedy Lamarr, according to the Hageman brothers.

    • According to Zero [Angus Imrie], the Voyager-A has 29 decks, a crew of more than 800, and two schools.

    • In engineering, we’re also shown a quantum slipstream drive, a Delta Quadrant technology first encountered in “Hope and Fear”.

    • “Twovix” is set in 2381, and this episode is set in 2384.

    • The Doctor says that ”There are over 16 holodecks.” Not really clear why he choose not to give a specific number.

    • The Voyager A also has a cetacean ops, large enough to accommodate a humpback whale.

      • Rok-Tahk mentions that it’s her turn to feed the dolphins at one point in the episode. Apparently the navigators in Cetacean Ops don’t get access to their own replicators.

    • There are two shuttlebays, not three.

”Her predecessor is a floating museum.” We saw the decommissioned Voyager’s journey to be installed as an orbiting museum in “Twovix”.

• The Doctor claims that the rest of Starfleet is busy with the Romulan evacuation. As we learned in “The End is the Beginning”, Starfleet and the Federation abandon that effort in 2385, following the synth attack on Mars. Perhaps something to look forward to for season three?

• Nova Squadron is an elite group of cadets, introduced in “The First Duty”.

”I already promised Admiral Picard I wouldn’t lose this one in the Delta Quadrant.” Admiral Picard was previously mentioned in the LDS episode, “The Stars at Night”. Apparently he’s some sort of mummy aficionado.

”And we need all these people to…observe a hole.” Traditionally all the important tasks aboard a Starfleet vessel are carried out by the three to seven most important members of the crew, while the other sometimes hundreds of officers aboard the ship are there to do routine maintenance, keep the seats warm on the bridge when the senior staff is off engaging space adventure, and occasionally serve as human shields. For more information, please see Star Trek. All of it.

    • All of it.

• In Dal’s [Brett Gray] quarters we see a model of the Protostar as well as the goggles he wore in the mines of Tars Lamora in the series premiere, “Lost and Found”.

”Borg is short for cyborg!” While perhaps Dal is correct metatextually, that’s never been previously stated in Trek. In the Borg’s first appearance, “Q Who”, Guinan simply states, ”They’re called the Borg.” The Borg refer to themselves as such, there would be little reason for them to have named themselves after a term that originated in 1960s Earth science fiction.

”Well, cloaked ships are illegal in Starfleet.” Jankom Pog [Jason Mantazokus] is referring to a provision in the Treaty of Algeron, explicitly stated in “The Pegasus”.

    • The titular USS Pegasus in “The Pegasus” did have prototype cloak, which would also allow the ship to phase through matter.

    • The USS Defiant did have a Romulan cloaking device on it, and was originally only able to be operated by a Romulan officer billeted aboard the ship, as seen in “The Search, Part I”.

    •In “Star Trek: Insurrection” Starfleet also had a cloaked holoship intended to be used to forcibly relocate the Ba’ku.

• Janeway reveals to her senior staff that Admiral Jellico is concerned that the classified mission to use the Infinity to enter the wormhole and rescue Chakotay would put the timeline at risk. Jellico was introduced in “Chain of Command, Part I” where he wanted to negotiate with Cardassians first by appearing to be a loose canon, and then by threatening them with mines attached to their ships. In “Masquerade” ordered Janeway to avoid entering the Neutral Zone to prevent provoking the Romulans, and instead commanded that they fire a torpedo into the Zone to destroy the Protostar. No doubt he also has a good plan regarding the Vau N’Akat.

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Skydance founder David Ellison (son of Oracle founder Larry Ellison) will lead the combined company as CEO, while (RedBird’s Jeff Shell, the former NBCUniversal CEO) will serve as president.

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That show was already great and season 2 delivered and then some. Sure at points it feels kinda star wars-y but you can tell the creators really love Star Trek. The fact it was so unceremoniously cancelled then dumped really shows how out of touch studio executives are with the IP’s they own. Especially considering how god awful the final season of Discovery was (l mostly liked that show but Season 5 really leaned into every weak point of the series and jacked it up to 11).

Anyway, I am annoyed we’ll likely never get a 3rd season of Prodigy—and even if we do it likely will lose the lightning they caught with the first two seasons. If y’all have been sleeping on it, please check it out.

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It would seem that I have far too much time on my hands. After the post about a Star Trek "test", I started wondering if there could be any data to back it up and... well here we go:

Those Old Scientists

Name Total Lines Percentage of Lines
KIRK 8257 32.89
SPOCK 3985 15.87
MCCOY 2334 9.3
SCOTT 912 3.63
SULU 634 2.53
UHURA 575 2.29
CHEKOV 417 1.66

The Next Generation

Name Total Lines Percentage of Lines
PICARD 11175 20.16
RIKER 6453 11.64
DATA 5599 10.1
LAFORGE 3843 6.93
WORF 3402 6.14
TROI 2992 5.4
CRUSHER 2833 5.11
WESLEY 1285 2.32

Deep Space Nine

Name Total Lines Percentage of Lines
SISKO 8073 13.0
KIRA 5112 8.23
BASHIR 4836 7.79
O'BRIEN 4540 7.31
ODO 4509 7.26
QUARK 4331 6.98
DAX 3559 5.73
WORF 1976 3.18
JAKE 1434 2.31
GARAK 1420 2.29
NOG 1247 2.01
ROM 1172 1.89
DUKAT 1091 1.76
EZRI 953 1.53

Voyager

Name Total Lines Percentage of Lines
JANEWAY 10238 17.7
CHAKOTAY 5066 8.76
EMH 4823 8.34
PARIS 4416 7.63
TUVOK 3993 6.9
KIM 3801 6.57
TORRES 3733 6.45
SEVEN 3527 6.1
NEELIX 2887 4.99
KES 1189 2.06

Enterprise

Name Total Lines Percentage of Lines
ARCHER 6959 24.52
T'POL 3715 13.09
TUCKER 3610 12.72
REED 2083 7.34
PHLOX 1621 5.71
HOSHI 1313 4.63
TRAVIS 1087 3.83
SHRAN 358 1.26

Discovery

Important Note: As the source material is incomplete for Discovery, the following table only includes line counts from seasons 1 and 4 along with a single episode of season 2.

Name Total Lines Percentage of Lines
BURNHAM 2162 22.92
SARU 773 8.2
BOOK 586 6.21
STAMETS 513 5.44
TILLY 488 5.17
LORCA 471 4.99
TARKA 313 3.32
TYLER 300 3.18
GEORGIOU 279 2.96
CULBER 267 2.83
RILLAK 205 2.17
DETMER 186 1.97
OWOSEKUN 169 1.79
ADIRA 154 1.63
COMPUTER 152 1.61
ZORA 151 1.6
VANCE 101 1.07
CORNWELL 101 1.07
SAREK 100 1.06
T'RINA 96 1.02

If anyone is interested, here's the (rather hurried, don't judge me) Python used:

#!/usr/bin/env python

#
# This script assumes that you've already downloaded all the episode lines from
# the fantastic chakoteya.net:
#
# wget --accept=html,htm --relative --wait=2 --include-directories=/STDisco17/ http://www.chakoteya.net/STDisco17/episodes.html -m
# wget --accept=html,htm --relative --wait=2 --include-directories=/Enterprise/ http://www.chakoteya.net/Enterprise/episodes.htm -m
# wget --accept=html,htm --relative --wait=2 --include-directories=/Voyager/ http://www.chakoteya.net/Voyager/episode_listing.htm -m
# wget --accept=html,htm --relative --wait=2 --include-directories=/DS9/ http://www.chakoteya.net/DS9/episodes.htm -m
# wget --accept=html,htm --relative --wait=2 --include-directories=/NextGen/ http://www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/episodes.htm -m
# wget --accept=html,htm --relative --wait=2 --include-directories=/StarTrek/ http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/episodes.htm -m
#
# Then you'll probably have to convert the following files to UTF-8 as they
# differ from the rest:
#
# * Voyager/709.htm
# * Voyager/515.htm
# * Voyager/416.htm
# * Enterprise/41.htm
#

import re
from collections import defaultdict
from pathlib import Path

EPISODE_REGEX = re.compile(r"^\d+\.html?$")
LINE_REGEX = re.compile(r"^(?P<name>[A-Z']+): ")

EPISODES = Path("www.chakoteya.net")
DISCO = EPISODES / "STDisco17"
ENT = EPISODES / "Enterprise"
TNG = EPISODES / "NextGen"
TOS = EPISODES / "StarTrek"
DS9 = EPISODES / "DS9"
VOY = EPISODES / "Voyager"

NAMES = {
    TOS.name: "Those Old Scientists",
    TNG.name: "The Next Generation",
    DS9.name: "Deep Space Nine",
    VOY.name: "Voyager",
    ENT.name: "Enterprise",
    DISCO.name: "Discovery",
}


class CharacterLines:
    def __init__(self, path: Path) -> None:
        self.path = path
        self.line_count = defaultdict(int)

    def collect(self) -> None:
        for episode in self.path.glob("*.htm*"):
            if EPISODE_REGEX.match(episode.name):
                for line in episode.read_text().split("\n"):
                    if m := LINE_REGEX.match(line):
                        self.line_count[m.group("name")] += 1

    @property
    def as_tablular_data(self) -> tuple[tuple[str, int, float], ...]:
        total = sum(self.line_count.values())
        r = []
        for k, v in self.line_count.items():
            percentage = round(v * 100 / total, 2)
            if percentage > 1:
                r.append((str(k), v, percentage))
        return tuple(reversed(sorted(r, key=lambda _: _[2])))

    def render(self) -> None:
        print(f"\n\n# {NAMES[self.path.name]}\n")
        print("| Name             | Total Lines | Percentage of Lines |")
        print("| ---------------- | :---------: | ------------------: |")
        for character, total, pct in self.as_tablular_data:
            print(f"| {character:16} | {total:11} | {pct:19} |")


if __name__ == "__main__":
    for series in (TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DISCO):
        counter = CharacterLines(series)
        counter.collect()
        counter.render()
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