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So I am currently rewatching Stargate SG1 and thinking about certain things that always rub me the wrong way when watching or reading SciFi. Now, I know that Stargate in particular doesn't really take itself too seriously and shouldn't be scrutinized too much. It's also a bit older. But there are still some things that even modern SciFi-Worlds featuring outer space and aliens have or lack, that always slightly rub me the wrong way. I would love to hear your opinion.

  1. Lack of any form of camera surveillance technology

I mean, come on, the Goa'uld couldn't figure out a way to install their equivalent of cameras all over their battle ships in order to monitor it? They have forms of video/picture transmitting technology. Star Trek also seems to lack any form of video surveillance. (I'm not up to date with the newest series.) Yes, I get that having a crew member physically go to a cargo bay and check out the situation is better for dramatic purposes. But it always rubs me the wrong way that they have to do that. I would just love to see a SciFi-Series set in space where all space ships are equipped with proper camera technology. Not just some vague "sensor" that tells the crew "something is wrong, but you will still have to physically go there and see it for yourself". I want the captain of a space ship to have access to the 200,000 cameras strategically placed all over the ship to monitor it.

  1. Languages

I have studied linguistics, learned several foreign languages and lived in a foreign country for a while, so my perspective is influenced by that. I always find it weird when everybody "just talks English". Yes, I get that it's easier to write stories in which all characters can just freely interact with each other. But it's always so weird to me when an explorer comes to a foreign planet and everybody just talks their language. At least make up an explanation for it! "We found this translator device in the space ship that crashed on earth". There you go. I love the Stargate Movie where Daniel Jackson figures out how to communicate with the people on Abydos. During the series most worlds will just speak English, with some random words in other languages thrown in. As someone interested in linguistics I love Stargate for how much it features deciphering languages, though I still find it weird when they go to another world and everybody just speaks English.

  1. Humanoid aliens

Especially with modern CGI I would just love to shows get more creative when it comes to alien races. We don't need a person in a costume anymore. Every once in a while you will have that weird alien pop up, but all in all I feel like there's still a lot of potential. Also changes in Human physiology due to different environmental conditions on foreign planets.

That being said, I would also like to mention some SciFi-titles that in my mind stand out for being very creative in this regard:

  • The writing of Julie Czerneda is very creative when it comes to alien species. She was a biologist and uses her knowledge to create a wide variety of alien life forms
  • The forever war (Without spoiling the end, so I'll leave it at that. Just liked it as a creative take on an alien race so different it's incomprehensible to us)
  • I very much appreciate Douglas Adams for the babel fish.
  • I also liked The expanse for including the development of a Belter language and changes in human physiology due to different gravity.

What do you think? Do you know any good examples of SciFi-Worldbuilding, that solve some common inconsistencies?

(Edited because it looked weird :P) Also, I rembered one more thing: I have two serious food allergies and I always cringe when I see characters take some random food from an alien civilisation and eat. It's especially bad right now while rewatching Stargate. SG1 just keeps happily eating and drinking anything that is offered and there are so many scenes of them eating without asking much. Maybe it's just because I can't even do that in my own society and am so used to always asking "What is in it? Can I eat it?" Although some shows have good solutions like standard nutrient packs in a military context or food replicators that create any food you want.

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[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 3 points 3 weeks ago

If you read books, check out Embassytown by China Mieville. As far as I could tell the point of that book was to envision a truly alien species and how diplomacy would work with them. Super interesting book and unlike anything else I've read in scifi

[–] Nefara@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

What do you think? Do you know any good examples of SciFi-Worldbuilding, that solve some common inconsistencies?

There's some good stuff in Adrian Tchaikovsky's Children of Time series about non-human intelligence and societies that I found compelling and very thoughtfully composed. It comes from a grounded place, and especially the first two books do a great job of building up concepts of civilizations that feel truly foreign but make a lot of sense in the universe. The difficulties in cross-species communication are addressed and made to be a focus and feel realistic. I'm being deliberately vague because part of the fun of the books is seeing how far things go.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 3 points 3 weeks ago

Scale. Most sci fi notoriously sucks at doing large scale well. 40K, of all things, is one of the few that does.

[–] Gaxsun@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

"Humane Treatment", " Human rights", "I'm doing this for the good of humanity". When there are heaps of non human species but the writers keep reffering to "human" traits everyone else clearly has.

Azetbur was right.

[–] Canopyflyer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Large ships that ply the stars at super luminal speeds. These ships are equipped with massive energy weapons capable of pulverizing planets. Powered by systems that use anti-matter, or ultra exotic inter-dimensional matter.

Yet, for some reason the ship is constrained on energy and is unable to keep all the lights on, or the crew has to conform to "energy conservation protocols" (ST TOS), or there isn't enough power available to keep the ship at a habitable temperature (BSG).

Life support would not even be a rounding error on the power output of some of the systems described in Sci fi.

[–] B0NK3RS@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Translator Microbes

I understand why they do this with language but when it happens for the first time in a show I can't help but get distracted by it. I don't have a better solution though...

[–] Waldelfe@feddit.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

That's a cool concept, hadn't heard of it. Nanotech might also be an option for this. You have a bunch of nanobots in your brain and when you encounter a new language, some AI will decipher it and rewire your brain to understand it.

[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

Star Trek came up with some workarounds/explanations for things they did due to budget or teck limitations. The transporters so they didn't need to shuttle down, artificial gravity, universal translator and the the story line about the parent species that seeded humanoids on many planets (earth, vulcan, etc).

They would also show 'surveillance video' from time to time when the plot needed it, but it never looked like a surveillance cam took it.

[–] monk@lemmy.unboiled.info 2 points 1 week ago

Oh, I have the same gripes and more, so in my roleplaying campaign that has later turned into a book:

  1. Characters have to conspire, mostly outside of their ship, just to have a chance at a secret away from the surveillance. Two characters that are no strangers to oppressive surveillance manage to maintain exactly one secret, but its hours are inherently numbered and it takes a lot to happen to make it last, what, an entire day?
  2. Alien language is one of the central problems, despite it being phenomenally trivial (and following a decidedly indoeuropean sentence structure only because the readers also need to comprehend it). All characters not preselected for fluency in it outright don't speak it, there are just three of them on-screen, implied to be the best of the best. They then proceed to mess it up big time while messing it up, recursively, multi-track drifting style. Phonetics is mutually unpronounceable, but intelligible both ways, yet over the course of the entire story both sides attain only barely passable and generally unreliable listening proficiency. They mostly get by in alien writing. And alien writing isn't even exactly linear, because
  3. Anatomically, aliens are lizard-like. Unless your world building justifies aliens being related to humans, humanoid aliens are utter cringe.
  4. Allergies are, uh, let's just say one results in a pivotal plot point. Standard nutrient packs are a thing; people are shown to get creative with them on day two, yet not a single soul ever attempts munching any alien flora or fauna, lol. Not being utter morons about what they eat doesn't automatically mean they're safe either.
  5. Translation is available, and the problem is not even studying the alien language, it's that it doesn't really help bridge the cultural mismatch; if anything, "knowing" the language is a bit of a disservice here because the inherent crudeness of the translation only compounds the misunderstandings pileup. Blue/orange morality doesn't help it either: the question of how does one translate what was originally mistaken for alienese for "good" is, uh, an annoyingly recurring one.
  6. No technology available in abundance is used in an even remotely reasonable manner. The very idea of being rational about using Tech X makes no sense if Tech X ain't rationed. Abundant resources are gonna be used willy-nilly, period.
  7. Competence is scarce, doubly so when anything goes off-script.
  8. People are absurd. Groups of people are next-level absurd. Don't even get me started on societies. Fiction involving all three that isn't woven almost entirely from blunders upon blunders is, likely, bland competence porn. Now add a second species to the mix and there's no ceiling to the absurdity now. At this point, getting a point across the interspecies barrier, let alone cooperating on a thing, becomes unrealistic by default. Successful willful interspecies cooperation is, at the very least, a hard-earned success worth celebrating in-universe. And that's if the species are interested in said cooperation.

(non-sci-fi)

  1. A story doesn't feature a villain that's a perfect mirror image of the hero, largely because 9a. it doesn't feature any villain. Villains are lame, and so is plot-mandated antagonism. While it's just lazy writing in general, it's particularly unrealistic because
  2. People just don't care that much in general. Yes, I know people have interests and strong opinions on select few subjects, and sometimes these opinions even happen to clash. What are the chances though?
  3. Things generally just don't happen as much as they do in most of the fiction. Real life doesn't have the ambient soundtrack that immediately conveys or foreshadows the importance of the unfolding events. Thus in real life, the perceived importance of events is almost always off. Fiction rhould have it the same: things happen, some might even feel important in the moment, but rarely the ones that mattered.

There's probably more, but such gripes don't usually spring to mind unprompted. Now, when you see them, then they do grind your gears...

[–] Deebster@infosec.pub 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The writing of Julie Czerneda is very creative when it comes to alien species.

I haven't read anything by her, where do you recommend I start?

[–] Waldelfe@feddit.org 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The Webshifter Series might be a good start (Book 1 is Beholder's eye). The main character is a shape shifter, so we get to see the world from the point of view of someone who can change her form between different alien races. The book has a lot of interesting descriptions about her changing senses, e.g. suddenly being able to perceive different colors or having an organ to feel the magnetic field etc.

[–] Deebster@infosec.pub 1 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks, added to my to-read list.

[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 1 week ago

You'd probably like Blake's 7 then, in regards to cameras.

[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

We live in a time where live action adaptations of classic sci-fi literature are now possible - both technically and financially. But now TBH I find most of it super boring. Been trying to plow through that Foundation series and got to say it just doesn't hold my attention. Same with the William Gibson adaptation the Peripheral. I liked the books but just can't hang with the vids.

There is stuff I like but its rare. Arrival, Raised by Wolves, the Dune movies, a few others.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I do generally enjoy animated adaptations more, and agree with your list.

Arrival - we were rewatching this one evening when my teenager came home with some friends - for reference these are a group who have been watching the "evil bong" movies together, not people I think of as film geeks at all. But Arrival held their interest despite being a slower paced story and 2 of them came back to watch it in full because it just didn't let them go. It's such a good movie.

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