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[-] Shit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I mean I don't want to argue but there is an economic right and left and they can exist under anarchism. But I think it kind of matters less on the extreme anarchism side like how fascism and Communism both start looking the same on the extremes. I like this test since it breaks the parts out more. Rather than like a 2 or 4 sided axis.

https://www.idrlabs.com/8-values-political/test.php

[-] nekat_emanresu@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

There are no economic right views under anarchism. Just oligarch PR stunts co-opting us. You will see anything resembling right wing lunacy near Anarchism is just the same idea "Capitalism but with less powerful government" e.g. Libertarian and Anarcho-Capitalist.

I prefer not to use weird apps/websites or oversimplifications unless its rooted in a concept we can discuss. The standard left/right axis is already controversial enough I think. Right wing effectively means pro-capitalist, and left means anti-capitalist.

It's nice that you are thinking and talking about it though. And civilly. Most don't even try anymore >_>

Thanks for the chat.

[-] Shit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean it breaks it out into more than just 4 axis. I agree it's still over simplified but I firmly disagree that anarchist capitalism is authoritarian(it can be but not always). But I mean left and right literally refer to economic models.

The left right thing is cancer to having real discussions and got turned into a tool to divide and conquer with.

Here's what the output from that tests looks like since I agree with you on not taking random tests to feed advertising companies.

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Like I think publicly traded companies are a great idea the problem with it is how capital is allocated currently. There's no good solution without going pretty authoritarian...

[-] nekat_emanresu@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying anarchist capitalism is authoritarian, I'm saying it has zero percent to do with anarchism. Totally mutually exclusive subjects and oxymoronic.

I think any idea that can help us discuss things well, will be tainted by propagandists that want us arguing and confused. Like the creation of ancaps or co-option of libertarians.

For that thing you linked. It's certainly an interesting way to look at it and will help people learn more and figure stuff out. I at some point reduced down all the higher level issues to lower level ones and then collapsed it into Anarchism. In my head most issues are resolved and i have proof of work, but remembering and articulating for other people can be pretty rough.

The last 3 axes I think are really just the authoritarian scale, the first axis is vaguely left/right wing anti-Capitalism vs Capitalism which also is the authoritarian scale in a sense.

[-] Shit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah I agree there's no good way to simplify complex subjects. Anyways have a good night it was nice having a real discussion that didn't devolve into tribalism and name calling! Keep on being an awesome non authoritarian person!

I ate too many mushrooms to properly reply anymore.