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No oral arguments until late April. This looks like cover for a delay that will push trial past the election.
That's a win win for the SC.
He wins the election, they can say "Whelp, makes no sense to rule on this until he's out of office again" and hope he dies before dick tatering his way into a third term.
He loses the election, they can decide to rule either way depending on how much grease he's got left in his pockets with no worries about repercussions while they also hope he dies.
Oral arguments this April would generally imply they release their ruling in or by June though before going to recess. Might still be time to get the trial done if they follow their typical schedule.
Yup. CNN just said these case is typically take up to 2 years. Even if it's fast tracked it'll be at least a year.
The shameless Roberts Supreme Court has decided that Trump is more than justice.
Shameless and illegitimate.
I can't imagine a ruling in his favor that doesn't give Biden the power to also commit whatever crimes he wants, but then again I'm not creative enough in the "moral degeneracy" department to qualify as a Republican supreme court justice.
They'll probably rule something asinine like "using a phone isn't treason" and, blinders firmly in place, blow right by the actual question.
Except it wasn't just a tweet, he gave a speech to march on the Capitol.
I changed it because I was actually confused if this was about Jan 6th or about the Georgia case. Either way, they're going to have to argue that what he did isn't a crime because (whatever nonsense reason). There's no way they can argue a president is immune to prosecution for crimes, and for that reason alone, the kkkonservative justices are absolutely going to skirt the actual question and dismiss the case based on "not a crime".
So technically the only question before the court is if a President has immunity for official acts.
So I have a feeling what's going to happen is SCOTUS is going to wait until June/July and rule Presidents have immunity for only official acts and kick this back to the District Court. The District Court will then most likely rule these weren't official acts so there's no immunity. This is a question of law so Trump will immediately appeal buying more delay. At this point it's absolutely not going to make it to trial before election day.
So it all comes down to A) Biden wins and the cases go on to trial -- most likely Trump is convicted of something at least. B) Trump wins and either pardons himself or otherwise ends the prosecutions and it's never decided one way or the other whether these were unofficial acts.
Hypothetically speaking, let's say Biden publicly assassinates Trump. Takes credit for it and everything. Does that mean that the court would be forced to decide on presidential immunity thus fast tracking the decision that presidents are in fact NOT kings. Who cares about the failed usurper when we have a full blown king slayer to punish.
The conservatives on the Supreme Court wouldn't allow a Democrat to get away with this blatantly illegal act. So if we force their hand maybe things play out differently. Presidential immunity should have limits and not allow free reign while in office.
The whole premise of presidential immunity seems purpose built for the next round of fascist/authoritarian candidates. With that in mind, Trump feels like the beta test finding where the road blocks are and taking them down before the real danger starts. Realistically, Trump isn't smart enough to do any real damage by himself. The biggest danger was always the people he surrounded himself with.
Hypothetically speaking, the conservative Supreme Court justices could be included in the official order from Biden... Wouldn't have to worry about the conservative justices making the wrong decision then...
Looking forward to Trump's three nominees declaring him King.
And that is how we all found out that the fix was in…
Yep, been saying the same thing. The mere act of taking the case is proof enough since even the “best” possible outcome still benefits turnip. These aren’t stupid people so I simply cannot believe they took the case in the name of justice or service to the American public. The fix is indeed in.
I read insanity claim at first.
I guess In a way this election is even more important than some may think because a trump or any candidate that supports the rhetoric/script wins the presidency. This case is going to set a major precedent, with consequences as significant as roe v wade (and the disaster of overturning it).
Because if biden wins they would give him a free pass to do similar shit. This will not be ruled on by November. Unless someone is willing to summon some crossroad demon?
fuck, we're boned
This is the best summary I could come up with:
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Wednesday agreed to decide whether former President Donald Trump can claim presidential immunity over criminal election interference charges, adding a new hurdle to a trial taking place.
The legal question the court will decide is "whether and if so to what extent does a former president enjoy presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office," the order said.
Trump’s lawyers have pointed to a 1982 Supreme Court ruling that endorsed presidential immunity from civil lawsuits when the underlying conduct concerns actions within the “outer perimeter” of the president’s official responsibilities.
Special counsel Jack Smith, who is prosecuting the case, said in his own court papers that it was imperative the issue get decided quickly.
On Feb. 8, the justices heard arguments in a separate Trump-related case on the former president’s attempt to avoid being kicked off the ballot in Colorado.
Chutkan in December rejected Trump’s plea to dismiss the indictment on presidential immunity and other constitutional grounds.
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