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[-] nyahlathotep@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

the whole "Deckard's a replicant thing" is lame because it ruins his character arc if he is. IMO the whole film is a comparison of the human Deckard who coldly murders replicants without mercy (like a machine) vs the replicant Roy who kills with passion, and eventually grants mercy to his enemy. The replicant is "more human than human", and the human is more machine-like than the machine. Deckard's story is going from a robot-man to someone who actually feels alive and concern for someone other than himself at the end.

[-] flicker@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

I absolutely agree with you. But I did feel like it let me have my cake and eat it, too. It had a Thing-like quality- if what makes someone human is so ephemeral, that anyone could be a replicant... it added a quality for me.

I felt like we were meant to sympathize with Deckard. I certainly did, and I was a little girl when I first saw it! And when those same questions came turning back toward the person who was standing in for the audience, it really drove that point home, that in this world, even I could be a replicant. And at what point, then, did I have the right to arbitrate what is and is not life?

I love it both ways. But I am both extremely indecisive and bisexual so I guess this is no surprise.

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

Hear hear well said. I think Ford was very much against the ‘deckard is a replicant’ thing iirc

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I believe he’s human in the movie, but for meme’s sake it’s funny to assume he’s a replicant.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago

I will take this opportunity to remind everyone that Deckard and the robot had a half human child.

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 14 points 2 months ago

I don't think it was ever said that she was half-human, was it? The remarkable thing was that she was born to a replicant parent, but that could well have been two replicant parents. 2049 never stated a position on the matter as far as I can remember

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

Hmm I'll defer to someone more knowledgeable. But I was always under the impression the child was half human half replicant.

Either way, she really likes birthday cakes.

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 6 points 2 months ago

Can't blame her honestly, if I lived in a world where nobody even recognised the smell of garlic I'd be blown away by a good cake

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's makes me think.
Replicants probably have better memories of things humans haven't seen in a long time.

Also, I wonder if K would have let the protein farmer live if they had met at the end of the movie.

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 5 points 2 months ago

I'm pretty sure he would have, although I can't imagine that he would have been going there to "retire" Sapper in the first place. While his actions at the end of the film weren't against his old duties for the police, he seemed all in for the replicant cause by the end of the film. The thing Sapper said about "because you've never seen a miracle" turned out to be spot on