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[-] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 217 points 3 months ago

Ironic that Libertarians are banning things in their own subreddit.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 69 points 3 months ago

Not at all, there's no such thing as a right wing libertarian. Just liberals who think their girlfriends shouldn't need carseats.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Ding ding ding! We have a winner. If Joseph Dejacqe were still alive. So called right wing libertarians would be the ones he was railing against.

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[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 130 points 3 months ago

Libertarians: people too stupid to fully understand their own ideologies

[-] Wojwo@lemmy.ml 82 points 3 months ago

Libertarianism is for the philosophically lazy,or people born into a super conservative family and can't handle the cognitive dissonance caused by realizing that liberalism is the more Christian political ideology. Source: I'm from UT.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

It's just a smokescreen for selfish/embarrassed economic liberals. This was the man that coined and defined Libertarianism. Right wingers need not apply. The modern "libertarian" party is a necrophilic oxymoron.

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[-] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 29 points 3 months ago

They're just conservatives who want to be able to smoke weed and fuck children.

Actually scratch that; conservatives already want to do the latter.

[-] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago

They already do the latter. They want to make it legal beyond child marriage.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 64 points 3 months ago

Been banned from there. Basically only right-lib or ancap views are allowed there, left-lib (me) need not apply.

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[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 56 points 3 months ago

Yeah and if not a bicycle then a Libertarian should at least go with an EV.

Gasoline requires requires far away refineries supplied with crude oil that comes even further away. The government needs to maintain a large military to secure foreign oil to keep the global oil prices down because that's the rate everyone has to pay in a capitalist system. Even then oilt prices are subject to regulation by OPEC, which is an international organization that we don't have any say in.

Meanwhile an EV can be charged by a wind turbine in your home town or even a solar panel on your roof. I suppose the lithium for the battery comes for further away, but once you own that battery you own it. You aren't dependent of oil coming from very far away every week. Sure you'll eventually have to replace that battery, but it's way less frequent than having to gas up. And if it came down to it you could probably produce a battery more locally without lithium if you're willing to sacrifice range.

The fact is a libertarian utopia simply isn't possible with a dependence on oil. Oil is the most international business in the world and requires the most support form the government to function. But with EVs it may be possible to have everything needed for a society to function within a small region. You need big government to get a reliable supply of oil, but with EVs and renewable energy, big government isn't as necessary.

And yeah bicycles are even better than EV in terms of libertarian ideals.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 49 points 3 months ago

it's the libertarians... you should've said the bicycle lowers the age of consent or something.

[-] umbraroze@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

[Hapless user] "Kids are allowed to use bicycles! Government requires you to be a late teen or adult to drive a car!"

[Libertarian mod] "Banned. It's not that age of consent we want lowered!"

[-] inlandempire@jlai.lu 46 points 3 months ago

Woke mods can't handle facts and logic

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago

Whoever posted that doesn't understand libertarians.

If there were no government regulations, they would have nothing to complain about and their lives would be ruined.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago

If there were no government regulations, they would have nothing to complain about

I promise you that if you put a libertarian into a place without government regulation, they will still insist that there is a secret government regulation responsible for their lives being shit.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Sadly, I think you're probably right. I used to tell them to go to Rwanda if they wanted to live in a tax-free utopia, but Rwanda has taxation now what with it having a more or less functional government now.

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[-] 0xb@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago

I would say that whoever posted that understands libertarians perfectly, and maybe libertarians don't understand themselves and libertarianism

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[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 41 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You gotta wear a helmet though in some places, and depending on where you are you may have to do much more than that

Gotta keep one hand on the handlebars

Gotta have a light

CAN'T RIDE WITH TWO PEOPLE ON THE SAME SEAT

YOU HAVE TO USE FUCKING HAND SIGNALS I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA NOT JUST AMERICA BUT TEXAS FOR GOD'S SAKE

(Fun fact, I actually met someone who got deported after getting stopped by the cops, originally, for riding a bike at night without a light 🙁)

(Edit: Also... banning someone from the libertarian subreddit because they said something you feel like they shouldn't be allowed to say, so you have to use your administrative controls to silence them, is frickin hilarious. Not that I am surprised.)

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[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 39 points 3 months ago

The first time I heard the phrase "become ungovernable", I assumed it was about home gardening and biking and reducing consumer waste. Imagine my disappointment when I found out it was actually about perpetuating institutional inequality and "fuck you, got mine."

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 27 points 3 months ago

It's just another thing right libertarians stole from anarchists. I'm pretty sure Emma Goldman was the originator of the whole "become ungovernable" thing (could be totally wrong about that so take it with a bucket of salt) and she definitely meant it haha. Part of that is gardening and various other community building acts, but the other part is very "seize the means of production" and assassinating authority figures. Less "fuck you, got mine" and more "give everybody everything or die"

[-] qevlarr@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

What do you mean? It's still an anarchist thing.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Right-wing "libertarians" only know how to steal actual libertarian thought and shit all over it.

[-] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 30 points 3 months ago

No ban on riding a bike? Apparently they never met MOM!

[-] Matombo@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

they hated him because he spoke the truth

[-] uis@lemm.ee 28 points 3 months ago

I won't tell them to be consistent, because consistent liberterians are scary.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

You don't like getting into very detailed conversations about age of consent laws and child pornography?

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[-] KonalaKoala@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

I think that could also have been cross-posted into !fuckcars@lemmy.world as well.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 months ago

A very similar post was on fuckcars, or something related, a few days ago.

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[-] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

Yeah, american libertarians call themselves the wrong thing. The more correct term I find would be anarcho-capitalist, which is just all around a completely non-viable economic and governance system.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Anarcho-capitalism is actually perfectly viable for a "functional" society. Goods will be made, and the people will be fed in accordance with the wishes of the ruling class.

It's just not anarchism, and it's not good. It's just the capitalist class fully assuming the powers of state and production with none of the responsibilities to the people or any of those pesky human rights.

So, you know. Corporate Fascism.

But it would work. It has worked. American company towns weren't far different from what the ancap dream ultimately is, and they were functional, as long as you don't define functional as protecting human and worker rights and allowing for social mobility.

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[-] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Lol, next you'll be telling me libertarianism only exists in any kind of numbers because the fossil fuel and meat lobbies want to pay less tax and abide by fewer regulations....

No, of course, they'll still charge a levy for people using THIER stuff to make money for themselves. In fact, its their favourite part. They love that bit. They just don't think it should apply to them.

In the same way an employee using their software/clients/computer/factory/property will be charged, a state will charge the owner for using their educated for force etc. etc. The only difference is the state-ness of one of the parties, even when companies can exist as a state.

However, they'll act like you just asked to fuck their mum when the subject of paying taxes comes up. Then, theyll look you dead in the eye and claim its a moral issue, without a hint of shame.

States can do one too. I'm just saying, don't fall for it. They either haven't critically evaluated it properly or they think you're an idiot.

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[-] MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 months ago

Just a frame, a chain, two wheels, and some grease!

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

Libertarians are nothing but Republicans who dont want the baggage, anyway. So its hardly surprising that they act just like all the other right wing subreddits.

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[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

The dodge ram or just ram these days is the libertarian god.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 16 points 3 months ago

Wow that's wonderful, what a brilliant creation. Kudos to the artist.

[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

r/libertarian became the home for r/the_donald refugees. These people do not ride bikes and are immune to logic.

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[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Missed putting a bit about how cars erode fourth amendment rights.

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