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TLDR:
Windows 11 v24H2 and beyond will have Recall installed on every system. Attempting to remove Recall will now break some file explorer features such as tabs.

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[–] Stomata@buddyverse.one 180 points 1 month ago (62 children)

Linux is here to welcome you

[–] snowflocke@awful.systems 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I try to jump on Linux for years, it breaks so often for me I really lost all faith...

[–] derek@infosec.pub 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Check out Aeon and Fedora Silverblue. I'm installing Aeon on Desktops and MicroOS on Servers. My computer needs to be a reliable tool. Immutable distros make it exactly that.

The last thing I want to do in my free time or during my work day is be forced to fiddle with some poorly documented and/or implemented idiocy on my personal computer because I forgot to cast the correct incantation prior to updating something. I'm not a masochist.

EDIT To the hesitant but hopeful Windows+Nvidia user: give Fedora Kinoite a try. Check my reply to @independantiste@sh.itjust.works below for details.

[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wouldn't recommend aeon, a beta Linux distro that doesn't work for Nvidia GPUs at the moment as someone looking for something stable. Silver Blue is great though

[–] derek@infosec.pub 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's a fair take. Silver Blue is great and, in the spirit of the thread, if I were helping an interested but hesitant lifelong Windows/Intel/Nvidia user migrate to Linux today I would:

  1. Buy them a new SSD or m.2 (a decent 1tb is ~$50 & a good one only ~$100).
  2. Have them write down what applications, tools, games, sites, etc they use most often.
  3. Swap their current Windows OS drive with the new drive and, if needed, show them how and why that works or provide an illustrated how-to (so this choice is not a one-way street paved with anxiety. If they want to swap back, or transfer files, or whatever else; they can. Easily). Storage drives are just diaries for computers. The user should know there's nothing scary or mystical about them.
  4. Install Fedora Kinoite on that new drive.
  5. Swap them from Fedora's custom Flatpak repository to Flathub proper. A decision that should be given to the user on install IMO but I digress.
  6. Install their catalogue of goodies from step 2 so they're not starting from scratch.
  7. Install pika and configure a sane home directory backup cadence.
  8. Ask them to kick the tires and test drive that Linux install for at least a month.

Kinoite is going to feel the most like Windows and, once configured, stay out of the way while being a safe, familiar, transparent gateway to the things the user wants to use.

My personal OS choices are driven by ideals, familiarity, design preferences, and a bank of good will / public trust.

I disagree with some of Red Hat's business model. I fully support the approach SUSE takes. I'm also used to the OpenSUSE ecosystem, agree with most of their project's design philosophies, and trust their intentions. I'm not a "fan" though and will happily recommend and install Silver Blue or any other FOSS system on someone's computer if that's what they want and it makes sense for them! Opinionated discussion can be productive and healthy. Zealotry facilitates neither.

That said: Aeon has been out of beta for a while. The latest release is Release Candidate 3 and they're closing in on the first full release. Nvidia drivers work after a bit of fiddling. 🙂

I'm going to edit my previous post to add the Kinoite suggestion for posterity's sake.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ironically, a few months ago I wanted to setup Debian 12 on a ThinkPad X13, which feels like the most boring and stable thing one can possibly say. It installed just fine - but would fail to boot once installed. I absolutely require a cellular modem to work (I'm assuming this was the booting issue, but it's a snapdragon X55, it's been out... 4 years now?) and I tried 10+ other distros, which basically didn't work/support the modem, so I ended up sighing and having to go with kubuntu.

I'm mostly happy with it (it 'works' and hasn't broken yet) but I shouldn't have to distrohop, read guides and get lost in a sea of dead links to (not, except *ubu) get WWAN working. It should work ootb, no fuss. So I expected Debian would have no issue, no bullshit. Bah.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Snapdragon is famously awful on laptops, they claim to support Linux but the support is shaky. The primary reason why you're suffering from those issues is because snapdragon on Linux is absolutely not stable (its also generally not stable even on Windows), had you chosen any AMD64 laptop you would be fine. Personally I recommend installing Armbians x13s branch but I can also recommend Arch Linux arm. Keep in mind if you want the most amount of features working you will need to use Arch Linux Arm, I know its ironic that you need to use Arch for stability but keep in mind most Linux distros have ignored snapdragon until the X Elite. That means Arch Linux Arm will have the most stability updates in addition newer kernels have improved support.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's the X13, not the X13s variant. Intel chip, generation two. The snapdragon is the 5G WWAN modem, not the cpu.

Cellular modems on Linux are even more niche but better supported. I recommend trying Fedora, ive never personally used a modem (My Thinkpad T440p has a sim card slot but ive never used it).

[–] USSMojave@startrek.website 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Things seem to have improved in the last 5 years, so maybe give it another shot. I'm on Fedora 40 with gnome and lots of extensions, and I'm constantly tinkering with it to make it look just right (for fun, not that I feel like I have to). Nothing catastrophic has happened yet!🤞

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