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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 46 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (8 children)

I am pretty skeptical about these results in general. I would like to see the original research paper, but they usually

  1. write the text to be read in English, then translate them into the target languages.
  2. recurit test participants from ~~US~~ western university campuses.

And then there's the question of how do you measure the amount of information conveyed in natural languages using bits...

Yeah, the results are mostly likely very skewed.

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

So I did a quick pass through the paper, and I think it's more or less bullshit. To clarify, I think the general conclusion (different languages have similar information densities) is probably fine. But the specific bits/s numbers for each language are pretty much garbage/meaningless.

First of all, speech rates is measured in number of canonical syllables, which is a) unfair to non-syllabic languages (e.g. (arguably) Japanese), b) favours (in terms of speech rate) languages that omit syllables a lot. (like you won't say "probably" in full, you would just say something like "prolly", which still counts as 3 syllables according to this paper).

And the way they calculate bits of information is by counting syllable bigrams, which is just.... dumb and ridiculous.

[–] Firoaren@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I take your point without complaint, but I still think you're an alien for saying "prolly"

I mean, probs. It's right there. Use that if you have to

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

it's pro^b - ly

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