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“This is a collapse of the Democratic Party.” Consumer advocate, corporate critic and former presidential candidate Ralph Nader comments on the reelection of Donald Trump and the failures of the Democratic challenge against him.

Despite attempts by left-wing segments of the Democratic base to shift the party’s messaging toward populist, anti-corporate and progressive policies, says Nader, Democrats “didn’t listen.” Under Trump, continues Nader, “We’re in for huge turmoil.”

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[–] RandAlThor@lemmy.ca 133 points 1 week ago (60 children)

They need to fire the leaders of Democratic party. Find new blood and new direction. Swing to the right didn't help them.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (9 children)

The issue is the same with trump.

A lot of stuff is dependent on people "doing the moral thing".

The DNC is a private organization, and if they decide to keep making the terrible decisions they've been making, there's not a lot we can do about it.

Their platform for a decade has been "what are you gonna do, vote trump?"

So I really really think that today being the day after the election is the day we start talking about a third option in 2028. There's no reason to expect the same people who have been running the DNC to magically change this time or even just get out of the way for the best of the country.

We can't just "find new leadership" because when a Republican wins, the DNC votes for its own leadership and almost always elects the same kind of people if not literally the exact same people.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Their platform for a decade has been “what are you gonna do, vote trump?”

The people: Yes

But seriously, the Democrats need to get better candidates, and they need to take a long-hard look at their policy agenda. The people don't want it and will literally vote for Trump before what Democrats are offering.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

That's not what I'm seeing.

Obviously totals aren't in yet, but looks like trump gained a million voters and Dems lost between 8-17 million

Which is what I've been saying for years. The danger isn't cross over voters, very few people bounce between parties.

What matters is energizing your own base and getting them out to vote.

Dems keep pissing off their own base to court Republicans and it never fucking works

Because what people will do, is just not vote.

Which is what just happened. And at the end of the day the entire point of a campaign is to motivate voters, this is a failure of Kamala and her campaign.

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