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Russia launched a major attack on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure on Christmas Day, using 184 missiles and drones, resulting in power cuts across the country.

Ukrainian President Zelensky condemned the attack, calling it “inhumane” and a “conscious choice” by Russia.

Despite the damage and casualties, Ukrainians remain resilient, celebrating Christmas amidst the crisis.

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[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (35 children)

The irony of your approach throughout this thread is that the Palestinians support russian genocidal imperialism.

I say this as a Ukrainian who leans towards the Palestinian side.

EDIT: In retrospective, it was wrong for me to say Palestinians in general support russian genocidal imperialism. A fairer approach would be to say that Palestinian leadership has generally espoused pro-russian statements, but they likely didn't have much choice.

[–] FantasticDonkey@reddthat.com 14 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I‘m Palestinian and absolutely we don’t. We’re tired of just literally ANYONE wanting to rule us. What happens in Palestine is a genocide, period. What happens in Ukraine is also a genocide. I don’t want to antagonize you, but I’m honestly curious what you mean by „leaning towards“ the Palestinian side.

To me, imperialism needs to be abolished and I don’t care if the US or Russia or Iran or China does it. And imo Zelenskyy is a piece of shit for appeasing to Israel while they do literally the same to Palestinians that Russia does to Ukrainians. And in that sense, I will always be against the oppressor and it sounds a bit like there would be anything else to what happens to Palestinians than genocide & colonization.

That being said I wish you victory and peace.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you for the kind words. I do appreciate it. I genuinely mean it.

What is happening in Palestine is genocide. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't agree with this. My somewhat aloof statements are because I don't speak Arabic or Hebrew and I've never been to Israel/Palestine. But yes, Israeli actions are colonialist and genocidal (both current actions and the broader historical context). You don't need to speak Arabic or Hebrew to see this.

FWIW, I think Zelenskyy has a much more negative attitude of Netanyahu specifically and Israel's policies than his statements would lead you to believe. We don't have any other options because we are critically dependent on aid from US and EU. Ukraine has provided aid to Gaza and Zelenskyy has made (subtle) public statements that suggest thinking beyond a simplistic pro-Israel approach.

Palestinian leadership has definitely been pro-russia in their statements. It was wrong for me to say Palestinians in general support russian genocidal imperialism. That being said, I don't hold it against them (as in my OP, I lean toward the Palestiniain side) as they don't really have any choice.

[–] FantasticDonkey@reddthat.com 2 points 18 hours ago

Thanks for the explanation and equally thanks for the kind words!

I think I get where you’re coming from, and I think both Ukrainians and Palestinians have the same problem that they’re just pawns one some Cold War 2.0 geopolitics chess board. We are truly fucked. You know I somehow get the whole thing with parroting what the people backing you say, but I always believe you could just shut up and that’s better than being a hypocrite. But meh I also don’t take it at face value.

As for the Palestinian leadership, they’re simply corrupt, they don’t represent us and we don’t want them. Fatah in the West Bank they are a puppet of the Israeli regime and they work against their own people. Hamas in Gaza, they’re also corrupt and additionally an extended arm of Iran, although only to an extent. They’re considered part of the resistance but even religious, conservative people aren’t fans of them. Yeah I’m honestly sorry for all of their existence, as said they don’t represent us.

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