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this post was submitted on 02 Jul 2023
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You all might not be aware, but I think Rudd started this server only at the beginning of June for funsies, probably only expecting a couple of hundred users.
Then, of course, came Reddit API-calypse. Now, here we are barely 4 weeks later, almost 80k users on the instance. From nothing, to a respectable chuck of the fediverse, just that fast. Pretty amazing.
True, I opened my account June 1st on Beehaw, lemmy.world didn't exist yet. But I had to open an account on LW when BH defederated them...
Can you (or anyone else) explain the circumstances around them defederating? More specifically, why would they do that, and what exactly is their benefit?
.world doesn’t require as stringent verification and beehaw mods claimed that a lot of spam was coming from .world. I don’t know if that’s true, but that’s what they claimed.
Someone dug into the mod logs and found four or five instances of lemmy.world accounts being moderated on Beehaw. That’s all it took for them to defederate
Beehaw will probably die if they want to defederate from any largr instance with open signups. This whole system won't work without open signups because no one wants to go through an interview process to use a social media site. They'll leave or just cave and go back to reddit.
Fully agree. Ain't nobody wanna audition just to talk to people online.
Not sure why people care so much, they are only hurting themselves and the communities hosted on their insurance — way more than the damage to .ml or .world
My understanding for Beehaw specifically is that it was a temporary measure to guard against the huge influx of users, as well as a way to stop trolls from creating duplicate accounts from World (since it’s popular and has open registration). Defederating gives them time to figure some things out and scale up if they want to.
The moderation tools available in Lemmy currently are a bit lacking so it put too much burden on Beehaw staff to moderate users from instances that allow fully open signup. Beehaw was seeing a large influx of trolls signing up on open signup instances and causing a lot of problems over there which eventually pushed the matter. For those unaware, Beehaw prides itself on keeping a tight lid on tolls and negativity so it was really against their ethos to not be able to keep up with it.
It's worth noting that there is no hostility or anything between Beehaw and the other instance admins. Both sides admins have been openly posting about their discussions and both sides are looking forward to refederating as soon as the mod tools in Lemmy improve enough to do so.