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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 15 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

There was no uprising in Hungary in 1953. There was one in 1956

My mistake, I was going off memory and got the year mixed up with the year of Operation Ajax, the Iranian coup.

but it does not seem that this “Hungarian Freedom Fighters Federation, Inc.” participated in it (I mean, an “Inc.” in socialist Hungary?).

Yes, I supposed the fact that the CIA was sponsoring a group called "Hungarian Freedom Fighters" does not definitively prove that it was it was in any way connected to partisan activity in Hungary, the way that CIA funded groups were doing all over the globe at this time. Maybe it was pure coincidence!

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (4 children)

What was this group? Do you have any info on when and where it was actually active and what were its intents? Do you know anything about this incorporated (???) organisation aside from its name and that it was supported by CIA in 1963?

the way that CIA funded groups were doing all over the globe at this time

This is not how any historical event can be meaningfully approached. You're not an oracle, intuitions and insinuations are not proof, please use actual data, show actual connections and explanations of the claims regarding the 1956 revolution.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

This is not how any historical event can be meaningfully approached.

Isn't it? If an organization exists that has the ability to cover up it's involvement in things like this reliably and very rarely leaves behind hard evidence, and I'm a rando trying to piece together what happened 70 years later, then it seems like circumstantial evidence is the best I could reasonably expect to find. This isn't a court of law where the standard is either, "100%, beyond any reasonable doubt, or they didn't do it."

This shows evidence of a connection - would it be enough to convict in a court of law? No. But, does it shape up to being more likely than not? Seems like it to me. Past precedent shows they could do it and get away with it, and we've got their fingerprints near it, so you can keep imagining that this Hungarian Freedom Fighters org connected to the CIA was, I don't know, selling dinner plates or something, but I'm gonna connect point A to point B myself.

[–] nargis@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 hours ago

antonim raised a good point, actually. While I wouldn't put it past the CIA to do something like this, the fact is that this vague document is hardly evidence of the CIA funding the Hungarian revolution. Besides, a historian would be far more qualified to look at archival material since they're actually trained to do that.

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