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Given the recent detainment of a French person who got detained because he said something bad about the current administration in his WhatsApp messages. It makes me wonder if WhatsApp is truly end to end encrypted as they claimed. How did they even single him out?

As a corollary question, if I were to pass Customs, and if I delete WhatsApp , Reddit etc just before I reach the counter, will they be able to find out that I just deleted the apps minutes ago? I’ll be deleting them from my phone but keep them on the cloud.

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[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (16 children)

Any time you hear about anyone high profile using a chat app - what are they using?

They're using Signal.

There's a reason why they're using Signal; as far as security it's the best one out there. Sure, it's tied to a phone number, but a phone number isn't an identity.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 25 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Phone numbers are heavily tied to a person.

What signal had going for it is encryption, but that major flaw of tied to phone number makes me doubt everything else they say.

The phone number link means forward security isn't possible. If ever the encryption is hacked, all your messages could be forfeit by anyone who's simply kept the encrypted data.

[–] koper@feddit.nl 7 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The phone number link means forward security isn't possible. If ever the encryption is hacked, all your messages could be forfeit by anyone who's simply kept the encrypted data.

Can you elaborate on that? Obviously the phone number has privacy implications, but I don't think it can be used to decrypt messages. In the signal protocol, encryption keys are exchanged using ECDH (so wiretapping doesn't work) and periodically rotated (so even knowing the encryption keys at a certain point doesn't let you decrypt messages after that).

[–] Trihilis@ani.social 4 points 5 days ago

A phone number can be traced back to a person. If there is ever a hack or backdoor it can be traced. There are plenty of alternatives that are open source and don't require any kind of identifier.

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