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[-] orizuru@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

Are you aware that it’s possible to want neither NATO tanks nor Russian tanks in Ukraine?

I am.

But do you believe Ukraine is able to maintain their territory protected from Russia without NATO's weapon supply?

[-] Sphere@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He most likely doesn't believe Ukraine is able to maintain their territory protected from Russia with NATO's weapon supply, and for good reason, given how clearly this is demonstrated by the utter failure of the vaunted counter-offensive. The only thing your position is really advocating is the useless deaths of vast numbers of Ukrainians (and Russians, for that matter).

[-] teichflamme@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

The mere fact that they are in the act of a counter offensive after Russia tried to blitz then shows that it's not even close to what you're describing.

Ukraine is holding their current territory pretty easily and gaining the upper hand very clearly.

[-] CamaradeBoina@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The famed counter offensive that western media has now described as incapable because of "ukrainians are too soviet brained" (the racism really did jump out lately), due to it absolutely failing to acheive its stated objectives, and leading to a situation far more reminsicent to WW1 murderous slog, and probably would have been even worse had Ukraine actually applied to a T the nonsense the US and more broadly NATO was telling them to do?

Brother it's been months and we are talking few kms of wins, it's longer than the already absolutely ridiculous Russian assault on Bakhmut, for far less.

It's time to end this shit. A diplomatic resolution is crucial, and in terms of the POV of working class people in the west, we must stop the endless billions sent to maintain a steady flow of ukraiian and russian soldiers to the meat grinder, particularly given our own issues.

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