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The "persecution of Jews in that area for 1000s of years" in your link gives examples of Spanish antisemitism though. You're doing the thing where you assume all Muslims are Arabs. Also it lists Christians being persecuted alongside them, no sure how you interpret that.
Now as for racism, it's not like US racism where there's a clear dividing line between races with whiteness being the privileged racial class.
It's more like colorismo in Latin America, where the lightness of skin correlates with social, political, and economic privileges. There's a reason why the ruling class in Israel all have light skinned faces and Arabs, even Jewish ones, deal with racial discrimination. A dark skinned Jew will need to prove their Jewishness in ways a light skinned one won't.
However it does have a racial component similar to the US; free people of color were considered legally white if they had less than either one-eighth or one-quarter African ancestry, and in Israel you're considered legally Jewish if you have at least one-eighth Jewish ancestry. Also? Inter-"faith" marriage is illegal, again similar to laws against interracial marriage in the US. Interesting parallels.
Okay, here are two more links detailing their persecution in the Middle East.
https://i.imgur.com/Tc0zvjq.jpg
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2019-01-24/ty-article-magazine/like-father-like-son-the-ottoman-governor-who-tortured-the-jews-of-jerusalem/0000017f-f7cc-d044-adff-f7fd35c00000
Okay, that's more relevant. Though the Damascus affair seems to have been instigated by France and Turkey, then spread south later.
Ibn Farouk, on the other hand, is noted as an outlier and a tyrant who bought his way into power. That hardly means he reflects something common to the region. Also, notably, persecuted Christians and Muslims that pissed him off - just an asshole in general. Weirdly, I can't actually find anything about him outside of this article and its source The Museum of the Jewish People at Beit Hatfutsot. Strange.
There’s also this guy https://i.imgur.com/puycOKG.jpg who gave the Nazis widespread support throughout Palestine and even personally assisted in recruiting Muslims to the SS. There’s also this book https://imgur.io/gh1T0AV?r written by the leader of the PLO where he argues zionists wanted an extermination of their own people to make the world feel sorry for them.
Here’s another, the Hebron massacre in 1929 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
Jew hate for the sake of Jew hate is very well documented in this area. Their own actions and words speak for themselves.
Are you unfamiliar with the Haavara Agreement? Zionist do actually intentionally heighten antisemitism around the world specifically so that Jews are forced to become settlers. It's a very obvious strategy they use, it's why all anti-Zionism is equated with antisemitism. It wasn't to 'make us sorry for them', though, that's definitely backwards; it's to make people hate Jews by smearing them with the crimes of Zionism and promoting antisemitism (they helped create Hamas, did you know that?) and forcing them to flee to the settler-colony.
Just another facet of Zionist racism. They push Jew hate to justify their own militarism and brutality and inherently fascistic ethnonationalism.
In order for there to ever be a multi-ethnic democratic state in the middle east, Zionism must be left in the dustbin of history.
I am quite familiar with the haavara agreement. It was an agreement that allowed Germany to rid itself of its “problem” and allowed Jews to flee to already established Jewish settlements in Palestine. That has absolutely nothing to do with the holocaust. They wanted OUT of Germany. Not herded into a gas chamber…
And it parallels the modern practices of Zionism, by promoting antisemitism around the world and then welcoming Jews who flee antisemitism into the already established Jewish settlement in occupied Palestine. Nothing has changed.
I'm not saying Zionists did the holocaust, but they literally did work with Hitler to help rid Germany of Jews. That's verifiable fact. I don't think they wanted the holocaust to happen, but WWII sure was convenient for encouraging Jews to flee to occupied Palestine.
That’s a LOT of scheming for a piece of land the size of New Jersey. Even smaller had they agreed to the UN proposal and unified with Transjordan and let the Zionists deal with cultivating the negev desert.
The Zionists are motivated by fascistic blood-and-soil nationalism and mythology about the promised land, the fact that it's really not that much land and not that valuable is irrelevant. Why do you think they're willing to commit genocide over this shit?
Though Israel is very well suited for America to control the Middle East and North Africa and the Mediterranean. That, in addition to the apocalyptic fantasy from America's sizeable Armageddon cult, are why Israel is treated as the 51st state.
I don’t see that when reading the writings of most pioneering Zionists. Not saying there went some that thought like that, but the vast majority I’ve encountered while researching Zionism share roughly the same reasoning: tired of being hunted and having nowhere to run. Think about it, persecuted Christians have all of Europe and America to flee to, Muslims have all of the Middle East and parts of Africa to flee to, the Jews had nowhere to flee to. Frankly, being part of a group that is consistently hunted time and time again throughout history, being called parasites because they have no homeland, will do a number on one’s psychology. I’d wager that the vast majority of Zionists were not in fact fascists, but deeply scared people who saw safety in having a place to call their own.
Yeah, after they murdered all the natives and stole their land. Hmmmmmmm! Sounds familiar!
There's nothing magical about being Jewish that makes antisemitism inevitable. They aren't genetically predisposed to being persecuted or something.
This blood-and-soil concept that an ethnicity needs a "homeland" is both outdated and quite racist. In the modern age we should pursue multi-ethnic and multi-racial and multi-religious democracies, not apartheid ethnostates built on genocide and land theft and endless fucking war.
This is going nowhere. I'll end with this: Scared people are notoriously dangerous. I'm sure they were legitimately afraid of being persecuted, but fear certainly can motivate fascistic ideology and doesn't actually justify their ethnonationalism. What we see today, a genocidal ethnostate practicing apartheid and ethnic cleansing, is the inevitable result of all ethnonationalism. The only way this ever ends is if Israel becomes a democracy and allows Palestinians to vote, or if they kill and kill and kill until Israel is an island surrounded by a sea of irradiated glass. That's it.
Zionism is absolutely unsustainable and Hamas just proved it. Let's not keep the experiment going until it turns into WW3.