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Sanders warns Biden: address working-class fears or risk losing to demogogue
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 13 Jan 2024
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Unless the Trump is held accountable, He will most likely win. People's material needs are important and Dem messaging has basically been hey we showed this graph so you're not struggling and anything popular you want won't happen. But everything bad will happen with the other guy. Being not Trump once again is a dangerous way to win the election. Trump's cultist ass should be getting crushed.
Unfortunately the way I see it is Biden will lose for two reasons:
Regardless of policies or how terrible the alternative is. I dont think most people are going to think much past "Things are expensive now, and oh great a super old white dude".
Love how they can blame inflation on Joe Brandon, but they refused to blame 45 for anything for 4 years.
Different types of people. Its a shame Democrats have such an uphill battle to rally around candidates because those voters hold their leaders accountable, almost to a fault. The republican voter base is made of people who are basically in a cult, or are one issue voters.
Because the Dems were not yelling that from the rooftops like they should have been, so perception is set as that it's Biden's fault.
Inflation started under Trump and Trump is just as old
That's not the perception though.
Why is that the perception?
Hint: Corps are at record high profits as is wealth inequality.
Just pointing out the facts. If you’re falling for some perception then you are the problem because not only are you not paying attention but you have no concept of history or facts.
Unfortunately this country is filled to the brim with people that are clueless, can’t remember what happened yesterday, and are misled by media to believe whatever nonsense they are gaslighting today.
So ultimately you are right but people need to be reminded that Trump was front and center of all of this inflation instead of blaming someone that came in after the damage was already done.
With all of this said, why would anyone look at Biden and say “oh just another old white dude”, but not come to the same conclusion with Trump? They are both old white dudes. So where are you getting this from? This is YOUR perception.
The bare minimum job requirement to being a politician is getting elected. If democrats can't nail messaging like republicans then that's on them, not on the average voter. Inflation didn't really ramp up until trump left office and even though his actions contributed to this ramp up, the effects weren't felt in full force until after he left. So what happens if you run on "we're not trump"? People think back to the trump years, and other than when covid hit (which people can excuse as not the fault of the president), the economy seemed to be doing great, and there certainly wasn't as big of an inflation problem as now.
Also, democrats had multiple candidates running in 2020 who weren't "another old white dude" but they asked all the candidates they could to clear the way for biden because they needed to focus their efforts to defeat their most feared enemy: Bernie Sanders.
His first play will be cannabis being decriminalized.
Man I would love to see this, but its one of those things that I will believe when I see. I hope I have to eat my words on that too. Even if so, I dont think decriminalization would mean much to people in terms of getting out to vote. Most people who are really passionate about this over other issues have had the states handle it for them already. Dems waited too long for Federal Decriminalization to be a big motivator in a national election in my opinion.
Agreed. Dems like to save popular law changes to package with other utterly deplorable actions.
They also divy it up so that it's not really a victory. "We legalized weed*!"
* For everyone over the age of 65, anybody who was born rich, if you own three patagonia jackets and people who attended an invitation only dinner with a bunch of billionaires.
Then moderates turn around and whine "Why doesn't anyone give credit to Democrats for all the good they've done???"
You have made me realize the full extent of Citizens United.
Indulgences are a thing again. Just secular this time.
Too little too late.
Honestly I hope he keels over and Harris gets nominated.
The only thing people like less than Biden is Harris.
WTF has she even done?
If biden loses, a big part of why will be the single issue “genocide Joe” kids who, like their predecessors, The Bernie Bros, took their vote and went home over something that was much smaller than the potential loss of democracy.
When do we get to blame the shit candidate who lost instead? Bernie didn't ignore and not campaign in multiple states because he thought they were in the bag, that was Hillary. Bernie didn't conspire with the dnc to put up the worse polling candidate because it was "their turn", that was Hillary. Bernie supporters didn't say "we don't need your vote" to the progressive voters, those were Hillary supporters.
This shit makes me want to write Bernie in instead of holding my nose and voting for Biden like I did last time.
When the polls reflect the proper amount of democratic voters during the election.
You fail to realize that when people stay home and don’t vote- it shows. So we’re well aware of how many of you “democrats” stayed home in 2016.
If you're acknowledging you need our votes in the general then made better choices in the primaries. Don't elect procorporate trash in the primaries like Joe Biden.
Enjoy Trump. You’ve earned him.
You have too.
… said the kid that is withholding their vote because they’re throwing a temper tantrum over a single issue.
This will be your fault.
Multiple issues. You think it's one issue because you aren't paying attention. Biden argued about the amount of stimulus money he campaigned on, he negotiated down on student loan forgiveness, he fucked the BBB, he created a corporate handout with the CHIPs act, he blocked the rail strike, gave the most limp dicked support possible to the UAW, enlisted Yellen and Powell to fight American Workers... and he supports genocide.
The candidate you selected in the 2020 primaries is garbage. That's on you.
The whole 'bernie bros' voting red is a digital propaganda point started by t_d, and spun off into 3 different Bernie subreddits that coincidentally were all modded by people from t_d.
They worked tirelessly to flood facebook so it LOOKED like 'bernie bros are gonna vote against their best interests in spite'.
I mean there were a few actual progressives that flip flopped but most of them voted Jill Stein.
Dude… voting polls shows they stayed home. Not that they voted red. They DIDN’T VOTE.
It’s proven.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/registered-voters-who-stayed-home-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/
And:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/
Are you deliberately trying to shift the goalposts? I'm not talking about 'people who stayed home' because it is functionally useless to try and estimate the absence of considering a third or more of eligible voters just simply never turn up in any election.
The claim was disenfranchised Bernie supporters switched their votes to trumpty dumpty. The articles you linked do not support that, which is why you shifted to 'stayed home'
That is not intellectual honestly.
Talk about shifting goalposts…. I’m not talking about Bernie bros voting for Trump, you are. I never was, yet YOU comment to me about to change the subject to what YOU wanted it to be.
I was talking about everyone staying home and not voting like the “gEnOciDe jOe” people now. are now. Like the Bernie bros- they got butthurt over something smaller than the big picture and fucked it all up for everyone.
Then, in the aftermath, they claimed innocence and pointed the finger at other factors that were irrelevant. Which is VERY similar to what you are doing.
I’m done arguing about this. It’s pointless here. Lemmy is as bad as Reddit when it comes to hive mind mentality.
Oh man, how did you slip past security?
Exactly my point. Security. Thats what Lemmy is. Security for The ignorant.
It's sad because technically the fediverse is a huge improvement over reddit and other social media platforms, but many of the users are so toxic that it just bleeds users with every wave of new people who try it. There's a lot of unreasonable and angry people on here out to start fights and hurl insults at anyone who isn't a Hamas apologist that is left of Lenin.
>Bernie bros- they got butthurt iver something smaller than the big picture and fucked it all up for everyone.
>Then, in the aftermath, they claimed innocence and pointed the finger at other factors that were irrelevant. Which is VERY similar to what you are doing.
wrong on basically every account.
I said I’m done. arguing with the hive-mind.
i don't want you to argue. i just wanted to contradict your lies.
Not about to get my account banned for disagreeing with you. Seems that happens a lot around you so, I’ll just block you so as to avoid it becoming a problem.
>I’ll just block you
thank god.
>Not about to get my account banned for disagreeing with you. Seems that happens a lot around you
this is the second time i've seen this accusation/insinuation. do i carry an aura of fear or something?
Having contempt for voters is like blaming the weather when it rains. Maybe the candidate should have came prepared with an umbrella, but here we are.
I have contempt for non-voters.