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Why hasn't anyone built an entirely free computer yet?
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It's sad but true. I'm just so baffled as to why? Wouldn't anyone just be curious to figure out how stuff works? Think of all the brilliant minds out there who are being cut off simply because of corporate greed. Not only that, but they're deemed as criminals for making it do something it wasn't intended to do (e.g. Xbox 360 w/ RGH). I just think we're wasting so much potential to make the world a better place. And we can already see the love behind just using and creating software while following the Free Software philosophy.
My goal is to help people, maybe you or anyone else might be interested, to get to actually USE their computers, understand how they work, etc.
The creator of Libreboot, Leah Rowe, and I are making support for the Dell Optiplex 9020 MT. It's a Haswell motherboard that supports a i7 4790K, 32GB DDR3 RAM, you can also use a 2080 SUPER (or anything else), without the need for any proprietary BIOS firmware (eventually, we still need to reverse engineer 1-2 blobs). It has internal flashing capabilites, so no need to buy flashing equipment, all you need is an insulated screwdriver to short one of the SERVICE_MODE pins, which unlocks the flash chip basically. This allows you to flash the firmware through the OS, which makes it 10x easier for anyone to start using Libreboot. The motherboard you can buy on eBay right now for about $20, or you can buy the whole PC for like $100-$120. Still though, isn't enough but it will be a step in the right direction.
You can wire up a computer like people did in the eighties. Beep beep boop boop.
Designing modern cpus is crazy complicated and expensive.
Manufacturing is also crazy expensive. You need millions worth of machines and an industrial clean room.
@pearsaltchocolatebar @Valmond looooook we can build stuff... all the goods may be "owned" by the finance capitalists but theyre operated only by... who? THE WORKING CLASS baby. Never forget. we hold the keys to our freedom
There is absolutely no system of government or economics that would make it feasible to manufacture microchips in your garage.
Communist China and Soviet Russia would do it.
They wouldn't be any good, but they'd do it.
No. No government would build microchip manufacturing plants in people's garages.
This isn't a problem caused by capitalism. The machines needed are highly specialized and require extremely tight tolerances. Both of those things require a lot of very expensive equipment to make.
You have to remember that we're talking about billions if not trillions of transistors on a single chip. That's not something you can just DIY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_furnace
It's a parallel. Mao tried to create industry in people's backyards. It took people away from food production, destroyed existing valuable metal products, deforested the areas, and for all that effort, resulted in product with quality so bad it was unusable.
While it would probably also be more like input material production, silicon ingots and wafer slicing and such, I'm sure the quality would equally be shit enough to be unusable. Especially since metalwork tolerances are usually in micrometers at best, but microchips are in the nanometers.
You're vastly underestimating the gulf of complexity between metal fabrication and processor manufacturing.
If this was even remotely feasible, don't you think China would have done it for the several year long microchip shortage?
Yes, I understand there are orders of magnitude of complexity between the two. And no, it's not remotely feasible, like I said, they wouldn't be any good. If anything, I'm agreeing with you that no system of government, or system of economics for that matter, would make it practical.