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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 109 points 1 year ago (77 children)

Piracy explicitly is not stealing. Theft requires denying the owner of the ability to use the thing that is stolen. Copyright infringement does not meet this bar, and is not a crime in the vast majority of cases. Commercial copyright infringement is the only offense classed as a crime, which in a nutshell is piracy for profit ie selling pirated material.

[–] myslsl@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (46 children)

Regardless of the semantics of what we call theft, or whether theft requires denying somebody access to some good, there's an ethical issue with copying other people's stuff without permission. If a person breaks into another persons home and makes copies of all of the documents in their home private or otherwise, they've at least committed a crime in the form of breaking and entering. But if a person is invited into another persons home, and then without pemission copies all of the documents in the house, that still feels like a wrong act? Like, if you invite me into your house and I start copying down your personal journal, your family photos and other stuff you have lying around, to me that sounds like I'd be doing something wrong by you?

Edit: I do want to point out here that I'm not saying piracy is inherently wrong/bad or never justified.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Sure, but breaking and entering is a crime - just like theft. Copying someone's documents is wrong, but it's not a crime (not unless you commit a crime with those documents, eg fraudulently take out credit). In that case, it's a civil offense against the victim - just like copyright infringement.

Crimes are prosecuted by the government. To be convicted of a crime you have to be proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt - in other words, it's more than 99% likely you did it.

Civil offenses are prosecuted by the victim. The burden of proof is "the balance of probabilities", ie it's more than 50% likely you did it. The victim must also show actual damages.

In the US, media companies have perverted the law around copyright infringement, and they manage to get awarded statutory damages well in excess of any actual damages they incur. This is why we had all those ridiculous Napster lawsuits where people were fined hundreds of thousands for downloading a handful of songs. In the rest of the world, they could only be awarded actual damages, and the lawsuits weren't really worth anything.

Media companies would really like copyright infringement to be theft, and they've lobbied hard for that. However they haven't managed it, not yet anyway. They did manage to establish a crime of commercial copyright infringement, though, where if you pirate a significant amount of material or do it for profit you could be criminally charged.

[–] yoast@notdigg.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kinda sounds like it might be easier to get away with if it was a crime and the burden of proof was higher

"I didn't know the router Comcast gave me came with an unprotected 'Guest' network enabled by default. Someone in one of the other apartments must have been using it to download torrents"

Sounds like a reasonable doubt to me, I'm sure there'd be plenty of other explanations. Plus the work to retrieve everyone's computers to investigate who actually downloaded it would be prohibitively intensive in anything other than the most extreme cases

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In that case it would be less about reasonable doubt that you did it, and more about whether an IP address proves the identity of a user. I would say it doesn't meet the bar of 50%, however it's a bit of a grey area that hasn't been properly tested in court.

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