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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.

Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.

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A Renewable Energy Transition Violates The Maximum Power Principle | Art Berman (www.artberman.com)

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[–] ta00000@hexbear.net 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Those who think that we should stop using fossil fuels, or think that economic growth is possible in a renewable energy future, do not understand the physics of how the world works.

Those who think we should continue using fossil fuels despite the climate change and weather effects we're already seeing do not understand the physics of how the world works.

Whenever someone starts with the high minded "no other species has ever done this" talk is just intellectually masturbating. We're the first true mammal bipeds, the first species with complex language capabilities allowing us to compound generational knowledge, the first to live in air conditioned houses and eat breakfast cereal. We are fundamentally different in so many ways from other species that this line of argument means nothing. I understand that life's order is allowed by thermodynamics because we pay for our existence by distributing energy and settibg off chemical reactions as we find them, but what's the mechanism of our destruction should we stop drilling for and burning fossil fuels tomorrow? Are the squirrels going to take over the drilling and kill us all? Come on. If we don't dig it up and burn it, it's going to stay under the ground.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

We are not going to abandon fossil fuels. However, fossil fuels are abandoning us. And those 8.1 billion and counting will be going away, too.

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