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[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com -1 points 5 months ago (10 children)

As I pointed out, I'm using it because MS is screwing the pooch with those issues.

Fair enough

These are known issues, and have been around for more than a decade. They're not bugs, they're missing basic features.

Then make a fork and or PR. i‘m only around two years and I make the stuff I need.

But sure, go ahead and assume stuff.

As a human does since your small text can never have full information needed to know everything. For the sake of discussing things I have to either ask and widen the scope of the discussion or I assume where it seems appropriate and you correct me if I‘m wrong. Sorry if that is new to you.

It's probably closer to renting a apartment vs owning a shack (or it was, before said screwing of said pooch). You can upgrade it into a mansion if you want, but that's not where you start.

If thats your opinion I‘d like to own a „shack“ because in germany, where I live, the houses even need maintenance and repairs if you buy them.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 6 points 5 months ago (7 children)

A more classic example of linux users pushing others away, I could not have come up with.

"I have so-and-so issue"

"Fork the OS and fix it yourself!"

Yeah, no. I already spend 8 hours a day programming, I'd like my free time to be spent elsewhere, thanks.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com -2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

I‘m a tech myself and I know this discussion from 100 times this has occured.

  1. someone complaining about something openly instead of using the proper channels
  2. someone suggesting they use the proper channels
  3. they denying that its an issue they can help fix but a general failing of the software/vendor (typical proprietary software-user behavior)
  4. person trying to help pointing out that this is not helpful behavior
  5. person complaining getting defensive and falling for a logical fallacy instead of seeing their mistake.

But yeah, good luck mate.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)
  1. someone complaining about something openly instead of using the proper channels

I refer you back to my original statement. I was not asking how to do something. I was grousing that basic tasks are extremely user-unfriendly to configure. I've fixed it on my computer. That's not the topic under discussion.

  1. someone suggesting they use the proper channels

What proper channels? We're in a post claiming it's the YOTLD again, because OP apparently doesn't realise it's been claimed every year for the last couple decades. I'm posting about why that's not gonna happen this year either.

  1. they denying that its an issue they can help fix but a general failing of the software/vendor (typical proprietary software-user behavior)

I could fix it. However, I have no intention of opening a PR and spending what little free time I have contributing to open source (I'll contribute money, but not my time). Kudos to those who do write and maintain open source, but that's not for me.

  1. & 5.

I think you can see how we've diverged into entirely different directions already.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I can see your point and appreciate you elaborating.

You do see that you went there, right?

"I have so-and-so issue" "Fork the OS and fix it yourself!"

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because, please don't make that recommendation to anybody else. Of all the places for somebody to start contributing to open source, linux is probably among the top in complexity. And if it's a new user, as per the original topic of this post, and they can't figure out their issue from the million guides online, you're just ensuring they make a speedy return to windows.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sad, we were almost aligning here. Now we will just have to disagree here.

I will make this exact recommendation to everyone in every situation because the end user mentality is making us speedrun our planet to shit. People need to take responsibility for their own stuff instead of letting corporations control them. This obviously means they need to relearn that an error is not a sign of bad code/software but something that can happen. The perfectionism this world is succumbing to is a cancer that will kill us all.

But good luck anyway.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're suggesting that every user should learn programming. All 8 billion people. How do you not see the ridiculousness of that suggestion.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 5 months ago

Hahaha. Yeah, exactly. Right after I suggested everyone work at mcdonalds. Whatever it is you’re taking, its either too much or not enough.

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