this post was submitted on 05 Jun 2024
18 points (71.4% liked)

Collapse

3237 readers
6 users here now

We have moved to https://lemm.ee/c/collapse -- please adjust your subscriptions

This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.


Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.


RULES

1 - Remember the human

2 - Link posts should come from a reputable source

3 - All opinions are allowed but discussion must be in good faith.

4 - No low effort posts.


Related lemmys:

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Because of admin interference with the content https://lemmy.ml/modlog/16033 and disciplinary actions we obviously can't stay here.

We've set up shop on http://lemm.ee/c/collapse !collapse@lemm.ee so please update your subscription if you intend to continue to follow this community.

At some point this community will be mothballed, unless wabooti@lemmy.ml wants to continue taking care of it.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 11 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Interesting, thanks for letting us know

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My pleasure. Obviously a community discussing collapse can't stay in a place which denies overshoot of the ecosystem carrying capacity. The Reese paper doesn't say a thing about eugenics.

[–] TheDeed@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

a community discussing collapse can't stay in a place which denies overshoot of the ecosystem carrying capacity. The Reese paper doesn't say a thing about eugenics.

Okay then, what do you propose we do if you believe we've overshot our carrying capacity?

[–] doom_and_gloom@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Okay then, what do you propose we do if you believe we’ve overshot our carrying capacity?

You mean what to do to improve the average quality of life?

Anti-colonial, anti-hegemonic action. Which I am always happy to discuss. It will just have to occur in a different space.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I don't believe that we've very significantly overshot our global ecosystem carrying capacity. Especially post-fossil. It's a fact outlined in many numbers in thousands of peer reviewed publications.

As to what we could collectively do: sadly, very little. The overall system has almost no degrees of freedom left. You're mostly down to personal and community scale choices. Small things.

Not going to continue to discuss that here though.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

Not going to continue to discuss that here though.

why because it's a garbage argument that immediately reveals itself to be bullshit? we could very easily sustain projected populations under a system of more equitable resource distribution and the destruction of the capitalist class

[–] hexthismess@hexbear.net 13 points 5 months ago

The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 months ago

Please continue discussing this here, I wanna see your posts get obliterated from orbit again

load more comments (5 replies)