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includes a translation of Putin's entire speech from yesterday Jun 14

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[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

There's definitely something weird about a guy whose base is very nationalistic (and not in the national liberation sense) positioning himself in opposition to "liberal globalism" when you and I know perfectly well that 'liberal' in that phrase can perfectly mean the f slur, and 'globalism' means NATO just as much as it means immigrants. Putin has sold this war domestically as a fight against western decadence, as though they're fighting a morally indecent society.

I'm not saying Putin is wrong to defend against NATO expansionism though, just to be clear, but you don't have to hand it to him.

[-] ZZZZedong@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This whole anti nato/globalist right wing red brown thing doesnt exist its just projection from neoliberals

Why whould you assume that it has anything to do with f slur or immigrants, do you think pro Nato people are pro immigrants or progressive or something?

Why do you (plural) assoicated anti nato with reactionary

Dont get me wrong Putin has reactionary views himself i just dont think we should be pearl clutching about the word globalist.

Z

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

It's not a red/brown alliance if the reds are all dead, genius. Putin is not your savior, he's just in a position where he's doing anti-imperialism as a result of his country being ostracized and excluded from participating in imperialism. I can't exactly call him an opportunist because he's not even genuinely trying to sell his government as progressive anyway. He's calling queer people in Russia extremists, and yeah obviously NATO demons have an even worse track record, but don't act like there's no reason for me to be skeptical of his angle when he calls his war a crusade against the globalists.

Just to make my point clear: NATO is even worse than Russia at all the things Russia is accusing them of being good at. NATO is more racist, more queerphobic, more reactionary than Russia. But Putin has to bat for a base of nationalistic chuds in his own country, which is why he attacks the West for accepting immigrants, pinkwashing, and not respecting tradition or whatever. He's weirdly doing the right things while saying all the wrong things.

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