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[-] waigl@lemmy.world 92 points 3 months ago

This is something that has been occasionally happening in Europe (at least in Germany, don't know about France) for well over 10 years now. Probably more like 15.

What's sorely needed at this point is much more storage to make this energy available when it is needed instead of when it isn't. Before that happens, you cannot really decommission any gas or coal power plants, because you still need them during times of much less renewable production.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

this is why we still need nuclear, to replace the fossil fuel baseline.

[-] phneutral@feddit.de 29 points 3 months ago

The concept of baseline power is no longer needed. Scientists wrote about that for years now. Battery storage and smart grids are growing faster and cheaper than nuclear ever could.

[-] Rinox@feddit.it 6 points 3 months ago

Can storage technology reach 100% coverage by 2050? Because that's the target for net-0 afaik.

If not, we should invest in something else to help us reach that goal, and Nuclear seems the most promising medium-term solution.

[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 11 points 3 months ago

If there was enough funding or political backing anything could get done by 2050. That's a huge amount of time. Any time someone mentions a climate goalpost like that they are pulling the cloth over your eyes

[-] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

We needed to get this shit done 10 years ago. Any delay in removing all fossil fuel emissions now is just a matter of how bad we want climate change to get, rather than preventing it. Net zero by 2050 is a fucking eternity away and is a shit goal, and all the projections that get us on track to 1.5 °C of warming have us extensively using carbon capture which is entirely unrealistic.

Existing nuclear plants in France work, they can load follow to some degree, and renewables can make up the difference with minimal energy storage. But at a certain point you have to stop investing in renewables if you have minimal energy storage and your electricity solution is working.

I am going to emphasize that last part: IF you can't get enough energy storage, and IF your energy mix is fine, you must stop investment in renewable installations. Without enough storage, the baseload+peak paradigm works, you just have to regulate it.

[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

Greenfield nuclear is (probably) not economically relevant.

Refurbishing existing NPPs has a LCOE on-par with renewables and gives breathing room for variability issues that will otherwise be absorbed by fossil fuels until that eventual transition to storage/smart grid.

Any discussion of nuclear's costs/profitability that does not distinguish between greenfield and existing/refurbished is agendaposting since most of the costs of a NPP are upfront.

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