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[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

How can the working class own something if the state owns it?

It's very simple.

Nationalists nationalize.

Socialists socialize.

If one is doing the other it means somebody is lying to you.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

That's just nonsense there's plenty of reasons certain resources should be nationalized. Why do I care if the company that owns all the clean water is owned by one asshole or a group of them? Certain things in a nation belong to the people of the nation as a whole. Namely the national resources. No one company deserves to own that.

[-] Damionsipher@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Governance, government and states are all different and nebulous within themselves. You can achieve governance models that better resist the consolidation of power while still operating towards the goal of the collective good. That alone does not denote nationalization, which is a particular form of statehood (often referred to as a sovereign state). Watershed governance is managed across existing levels of international, regional and local governing bodies, often with a high level of success to best ensure sufficient water is available for the communities within.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That seems like an awfully swell nice ideal there, the reality though is where I live and people like me live where local governments just sells your water to private corporations and now you don't have enough water.

[-] Damionsipher@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Definitely not saying it works pervasively, lots of jurisdictions work as plutocracies and have vacated any sense of public good. That some jurisdictions suck doesn't nullify the possibilities of cooperation and public good being the foundations of good governance.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I'd say it does. Because it's not an aberration. That's how capitalism works. If a corporation can Corner the market on a natural resource and screw the people over it will. That's by Design. That's why I don't trust any situation in which private ownership can own a natural resource that people rely upon. It will happen every single time.

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