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[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

This shows that Hamas was more interested in being warlords than the actual business of governing. Just like the Israeli government is more interested in conquering a tiny bit of bombed out desert than actually living in peace.

Both sides are clearly led by pieces of shit. Israel has a democracy though, so they are choosing to be led by pieces of shit. Palestinians might have some shitty beliefs about Jewish people, but they don't have a voice in their government.

Literally no country actually cares about Palestinians. Iran and their proxies (Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, Syria) just want to be warlords. Turkey, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia just want to distract their domestic audience. Europe is just going to wring their hands and hope the killing stops.

America is actually the biggest force for peace in the region. All of these were signed in Washington DC (or nearby at Camp David):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_17_Agreement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Jordan_peace_treaty

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Actual brainworm comment. Maybe take a look at the proposals in the Camp David/Oslo accords and consider why Israel was so excited to sign a "peace deal" which have them 80% of the land, 100% of the military control, and total domination of political and economic affairs over Palestine.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I don't know why you're getting downvoted when you're right. The right-wing of the Israeli Government even assassinated Rabin because any concessions to Palestinians was seen as too far. Instead, Israel continued the settlements based on the Areas A,B and C from Oslo, while the PA denounced and rejected Resistance of the encroaching settlements/military bases and violent settlers. Meanwhile Palestinians were never given self-determination and the Right of Return was never even considered. These failures led directly to the conditions for the 2nd Intifada

The Oslo Accords were supposed to bring about Palestinian self-determination, in the form of a Palestinian state alongside Israel. This would mean that Israel, which was formed on the land of historic Palestine in 1948 in an event Palestinians know as the Nakba, would accept Palestinian claims to national sovereignty. The claims, however, would only be limited to a fraction of historic Palestine, with the rest left to Israel’s sovereignty.

Elements of the far-right were so opposed to the Oslo Accords that Rabin himself was assassinated in 1995 for signing them. Among the people who had threatened Rabin before his death was Itamar Ben-Gvir, now Israel’s National Security Minister.

Meanwhile, Palestinian groups, including Hamas and Islamic Jihad, warned that a two-state solution would forgo the right of Palestinian refugees to return to the historic lands seized from them in 1948 when Israel was created.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Because the idea that America is a "peacemaker" and that Hamas is an ontologically evil party on par with Israel is an easy way out of having to recognise that the US government is actually a barrier to peace around the world.

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