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Trump isn’t an icon of positive masculinity. He also did very little for young men during his four years as president

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[–] Kroxx@lemm.ee 41 points 2 months ago (25 children)

Every gen Z kid I know is having an issue trying to pick a pro-Palestine candidate. They seem to dislike Biden more than Harris, but I have never heard of trump support. I'm sure some amount of gen Z are trumpers but they are a minority, saying young male voters are "flocking" to trump is pretty silly. "There are literally dozens of us!"

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 55 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I hate to say this, but you're probably living in a bit of a bubble. I know I was.

A lot of men, across all age ranges, tend to lean fascist. There's a lot of reasons for this, but the core problem is that progressive neoliberalism does a terrible job speaking to cis-het male anxieties, while fascism welcomes them with open arms.

It's all bullshit, of course, but at least they're being heard.

Progressive politicians really need to let the 1990s go. Third-way triangulation worked great then, but it's ineffective now.

[–] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This exactly. The destruction of third spaces under Reagan was either a genius move to radicalize lonely, isolated Americans or a hell of a coincidence that ended up helping the right.

I say it could be a coincidence because idk if Reagan's administration was looking quite that far ahead but... They were crafty and very intelligent people.

[–] dynamic_generals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Would you mind expanding on this? The idea piqued my interest, but couldn’t find information on that connection when looking for myself.

[–] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

Not the person who made the comment, but here's my understanding. A "third place" is somewhere you spend a lot of time when you're not at home (the first place) or school/work (the second place). Third places such as community centers were vital to the civil rights movement in the 60s, it was where much of the movement's meeting, debating and organizing took place.

The Reagan administration systematically defunded any of these politically active third places that were receiving federal funds, probably because they were worried that they'd be infiltrated by those scary communists. They were so worried about what the organized people might do in the future that they did everything they could to kick the financial struts out from under these community organizations. In many cases this destroyed some or all of the local community benefits that those organizations were actually providing.

This trend cut across the political spectrum too. The Clinton administration did its own wave of defunding, though I suspect that was more for economic (i.e. neoliberal) than political ideology. Combine the lack of community investment with the rise of the internet, and you arrive at the situation we have today where third places are becoming increasingly scarce. It's hard for communities to develop and maintain a cohesive identity when there's no longer any metaphorical "town squares" where the people in that community gather.

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